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Brian S
09-14-2007, 03:49 PM
Ok, lets see how good you all are.:wicked:

This is a Megaphobema mesomeles molt.

I want you all to not only sex it but tell me why you sexed it the way you did.

An answer stating "I see or dont see a flap" isnt good enough!! I want more detail!! Aint I a prick!?!? LMAO:D

Eddy/Chris, Keep quiet for now, lets have some fun out of this ;)


Hope this pic is clear enough, my camera isnt the best in the world for taking such shots as this and neither are my photography skills!
http://i4.tinypic.com/4u08e9e.jpg

Here is the spider, see I told you it was M mesomeles!:p
http://i1.tinypic.com/4oudqqc.jpg

P. Novak
09-14-2007, 03:52 PM
Well in that case, I say Male..:rolleyes:

Congrats Brian! Such a gorgeous species! I hope you plan to breed this species!

Brian S
09-14-2007, 03:57 PM
Well in that case, I say Male..:rolleyes:
But why is this a male?:? :confused:


Congrats Brian! Such a gorgeous species! I hope you plan to breed this species!
Thanks!! I really hope to do so one day;)

BTW, I aint givin' you any slack just because you congratulated me!! LMAO:D

NEXT!!!........

thedude
09-14-2007, 03:59 PM
yeah, it's a male

harrypei
09-14-2007, 04:02 PM
that's gotta be a female...i can almost see myself play w/ that flap w/ a tweezer...:rolleyes:

Brian S
09-14-2007, 04:03 PM
yeah, it's a male
You still didnt read my post!! WHY is this a male???:?

Sorry, But I aint gonna give you any slack either:wicked: LMAO!!



NEXT!!!........

thedude
09-14-2007, 04:06 PM
you want to mate it, or you want a molt of a male and a female, besides that i cant think of ne other reason

Brian S
09-14-2007, 04:06 PM
that's gotta be a female...i can almost see myself play w/ that flap w/ a tweezer...:rolleyes:

aaaaaaaaawwww man!!! And I would give you some slack if I could but sorry I just cant,:D
Remember, I said an answer stating "I see or dont see a flap" isnt gonna cut it for this rigorous exam LOLOL:D

NEXT!!!........

Brian S
09-14-2007, 04:08 PM
you want to mate it, or you want a molt of a male and a female, besides that i cant think of ne other reason

BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPPPPPPP!!!!;P

NEXT!!!........

I never knew this could be so much fun LOL{D

thedude
09-14-2007, 04:09 PM
you heartless demon! lol j/k just tell us!

sick4x4
09-14-2007, 04:10 PM
well what i look for is the inside of abdomen of a t molt....between the book-lungs you see a slit or something kinda like lips... above that might either be bunny ears or spermathecae...or it looks like a mouth wit eyes....

spermathecae= female

since the refection is bright lol...i cant make out a clear and defining spermathecae soo i would go wit male as well........but it could just be the resolution on this phone....

harrypei
09-14-2007, 04:13 PM
well the spermathecae is right there...:mad: what else can i say?

harrypei
09-14-2007, 04:14 PM
as if i haven't said enough :mad:

sick4x4
09-14-2007, 04:17 PM
can you post another maybe over it type pic.....i just see a grey mass:wall:

P. Novak
09-14-2007, 04:22 PM
It's male because there is no spermathecae, it's an illusion!:cool:

Brian S
09-14-2007, 04:24 PM
you heartless demon! lol j/k just tell us!
Oh man!!! Yes I am very very heartless!!! LMAO:D
Just think, one of these days you will look back and thank me for this merciless abuse!! Really you will;)



well what i look for is the inside of abdomen of a t molt....between the book-lungs you see a slit or something kinda like lips... above that might either be bunny ears or spermathecae...or it looks like a mouth wit eyes....

spermathecae= female

since the refection is bright lol...i cant make out a clear and defining spermathecae soo i would go wit male as well........but it could just be the resolution on this phone....
Hey Bro!!!
You are getting very very very warm!!! In fact you are almost to break a sweat!:clap:

I just got a call!!! I have to go but as the Terminator say, "I'll be back"!!!!

Looking forward to dishing more abuse LOL{D

sick4x4
09-14-2007, 04:26 PM
haha when i get home ill pull it up again....its got to be the res, since some say they see mickey mouse lol.....

Oh man!!! Yes I am very very heartless!!! LMAO:D
Just think, one of these days you will look back and thank me for this merciless abuse!! Really you will;)



Hey Bro!!!
You are getting very very very warm!!! In fact you are almost to break a sweat!:clap:

I just got a call!!! I have to go but as the Terminator say, "I'll be back"!!!!

Looking forward to dishing more abuse LOL{D

julesaussies
09-14-2007, 04:42 PM
i have a question. Is the trick question about what the molt actually looks like and that is in fact represented well in the photo or is the photo deceiving?

Lorgakor
09-14-2007, 04:44 PM
Since I'm too lazy to type out my own reply, I'll post a link to Chris' reply on another thread which was just fabulous.
http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showpost.php?p=969629&postcount=8

Akitayoji
09-14-2007, 05:41 PM
It is a male because Megaphobema spermethecae do not have "horns". They are a half moon shape.

Brian S
09-14-2007, 07:44 PM
well the spermathecae is right there...:mad: what else can i say?


as if i haven't said enough :mad:
LMAO!!! You have ALMOST said enough!! In fact you are getting warm yourself ;)


can you post another maybe over it type pic.....i just see a grey mass:wall:
If this doesnt get resolved I may have to ;)


It's male because there is no spermathecae, it's an illusion!:cool:
Illusion!!!!!:? Where is this "illusion"?:D


i have a question. Is the trick question about what the molt actually looks like and that is in fact represented well in the photo or is the photo deceiving?
Actually this is no trick question and what you see is what it is :)


Since I'm too lazy to type out my own reply, I'll post a link to Chris' reply on another thread which was just fabulous.
http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showpost.php?p=969629&postcount=8
Laura!!!! You getting lazy!!!! Oh my!!!:eek: All I can say to you is....
NEXT!!!........{D {D


It is a male because Megaphobema spermethecae do not have "horns". They are a half moon shape.
Where are these "horns" and "half moons"??:confused:
Am I missing something here:? hehehe

YouLosePayUp
09-14-2007, 08:04 PM
Since I'm too lazy to type out my own reply, I'll post a link to Chris' reply on another thread which was just fabulous.
http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showpost.php?p=969629&postcount=8

Me Too (Us Canadians stick together)

;P Brian ;P

Brian S
09-14-2007, 08:09 PM
Me Too (Us Canadians stick together)

;P Brian ;P

From one American to his neighbor up North......

;P NEXT!!!........;P

LMAO!!!!{D

P. Novak
09-14-2007, 08:15 PM
Illusion!!!!!:? Where is this "illusion"?:D



The angle of the picture? :confused: How about you tell me where it is.:D

lucanidae
09-14-2007, 08:22 PM
Aren't mature females that are freshly molted more black? I seem to remember big fresh females being darker. In that case forget the molt, coloration says male.


Of course I could be COMPLETELY off.....

(I should admit the molt kinda looks female to me.....but pictures can be deceiving)

Brian S
09-14-2007, 08:24 PM
The angle of the picture? :confused: How about you tell me where it is.:D
How about a couple more pics instead?:)
http://i14.tinypic.com/6f64lqt.jpg

http://i10.tinypic.com/6b252d3.jpg

lucanidae
09-14-2007, 08:25 PM
Molt says female, all the right bits look to be in place....... weirdly lightly colored female.... or maybe she is smaller than I realize.

Brian S
09-14-2007, 08:30 PM
all the right bits look to be in place.......
Bits??? What bits???

Ya know, I got bit by dog
that made me bleed like a hog!!

I never should have put my hand in its mouth!!
That experience give me something to think about!!:eek:


LMAO!!!:wicked:


NEXT!!!........[/SIZE]
{D {D

Austin S.
09-14-2007, 08:38 PM
The molts not the one of your M. mesomelas.

Brian S
09-14-2007, 09:04 PM
The molts not the one of your M. mesomelas.

Huh???:?
Its the same molt I promise :)

P. Novak
09-14-2007, 09:10 PM
You know what....

I'm stumped

:(

Brian S
09-14-2007, 09:35 PM
Dont be stumped Paul! This is fairly easy and I know you can sex a T ;)

bliss
09-14-2007, 09:48 PM
Look you guys... you have to look for the Uterus externus (aka Flap), which i think that i see there. you must look at either taxonomic keys or other sources for how the "flap" is supposed to be shaped with this species. i DO see a uterus externus, unless that is just an illusion from the angle of the camera.. but that.. the uterus externus.. is what you are primarily looking for, and why i am saying female :D

Brian S
09-14-2007, 10:33 PM
Look you guys... you have to look for the Uterus externus (aka Flap), which i think that i see there. you must look at either taxonomic keys or other sources for how the "flap" is supposed to be shaped with this species. i DO see a uterus externus, unless that is just an illusion from the angle of the camera.. but that.. the uterus externus.. is what you are primarily looking for, and why i am saying female :D
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
I'm impressed!! ;)

bliss
09-14-2007, 10:49 PM
hahaha yes, i've been closely studying the uterus externus shapes of grammostola species, the shapes can come in handy when trying to differentiate between species, such as my inermis (which died the other day *cries*) and something such as pulchra. my female WAS indeed inermis, but now she's dead and in a jar of preservative.. *cries some more* lol

P. Novak
09-14-2007, 10:50 PM
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
I'm impressed!! ;)

Oh so you were looking for the big "Uterus externus" huh Brian? Good job bliss.:clap:

P. Novak
09-14-2007, 10:51 PM
Dont be stumped Paul! This is fairly easy and I know you can sex a T ;)

Hha I was saying male, cause it was clearly obvious it was female, but the way you worded it made me think that it was a trick question. Like maybe this species has a flap as a male or something, so I went with male. :p

Nice one though!

robbie
09-14-2007, 11:36 PM
Nice one Brian, I was stumped. I was thinking female only cause i saw a flap. (new to the hobby, only been in for about a year and a half, not sure of myself about sexing)

sick4x4
09-15-2007, 01:03 AM
bravo bliss....much better then my explanation!!!

i too am at a point that i hate the explanation it had a flap:wall: as to why it was sexed as such...there's a little more to it then folds...lol..

and to brian :clap: i must say, i do think that this was a long time coming ....it really got us to think and examine our answers.... and as we saw, you just couldn't say F or M based on what the guy in front of you said..since in alot of sex me threads we can sometimes just jump on the bandwagon because we see someone with experience say it is so;)

wayne

bliss
09-15-2007, 01:19 PM
bravo bliss....much better then my explanation!!!

i too am at a point that i hate the explanation it had a flap:wall: as to why it was sexed as such...there's a little more to it then folds...lol..



Things to look for when sexing:
Female:
look for the spermathicae, the uterus externus, and the Bursa copulatrix

-spermathicae are the little "bunny ears" you look for on the flap
-flap = uterus externus (the spermathicae join this and branch off, hence the bunny ears)
-Bursa copulatrix = the area under the uterus externus that resembles more of a pit.

all three of those are present only in females



for males, look for the Gonopore.. it's located in the middle of the epigastric furrow ;) it will resemble a pair of lips.
but that's rather hard to see, unless you have a microscope.

cheers
-dan

Tescos
09-16-2007, 01:10 PM
It's male because I want to be wrong with the answer I am giving now.
Cheers
Chris:)

Brian S
09-16-2007, 09:56 PM
LOL Chris! I knew you wouldnt let me down! :D

bushbuster
09-16-2007, 10:11 PM
OK when can I get a PUP? LOL

bliss
09-17-2007, 08:18 AM
It's male because I want to be wrong with the answer I am giving now.
Cheers
Chris:)


ok, cool!! you deserve a cookie!! which flavor would you like?
:rolleyes:

HA j/k

~dan

Tescos
09-17-2007, 10:09 AM
ok, cool!! you deserve a cookie!! which flavor would you like?
:rolleyes:

HA j/k

~dan


Donkey jizz flavor please as I am feeling rather sick.:)

Nerri1029
09-17-2007, 10:13 AM
It is a male because Megaphobema spermethecae do not have "horns". They are a half moon shape.

You can see a female here

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/the.tarantula.store/spermgal-Megaphobema.htm


If you saw Martin and Volker last year, you need "more than a structure"

You need all the things listed above Spermathecea, Uterus Externus etc.

Male Structures are probably a mjor reason people get "Garanteed Females" that end up hooking out.

bliss
09-17-2007, 11:16 AM
Male Structures are probably a mjor reason people get "Garanteed Females" that end up hooking out.

oh yeah, i learned this the hard way, i thought a B vagans male was a female, i saw what i thought was a uterus externus and a Bursa copulatrix, but i guess i was wrong. oh well, practice makes perfect.

tescos, why doesn't your flavor choice surprise me?

brianS, congrats on your mesomales :clap:

Tescos
09-17-2007, 02:38 PM
tescos, why doesn't your flavor choice surprise me?



I don't know? Maybe because I never wrote BOO on the end? you tell me.:)