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Frédérick
12-02-2007, 03:18 PM
Hey people! I wondered for a long time why is the tarantula hobby so popular and advanced in Europe and especially Germany? I've seen many posts of germans and other europeans talking about the hobby in their country and it seems they have a special taste for arachnids and have lots of rare species that are affordable up there...but what explains this popularity? my anthropological interests are growing on me i suppose lol

Fred

Talkenlate04
12-02-2007, 03:30 PM
I personally think it’s because most of the breeders over there tend to pick one or two genus to focus on and get really, really good at breeding them. With everyone staking a claim in a different species and less repetition with breeding efforts they seem to produce very well. That is just my perception I guess.
They also do a lot of importing though that is a factor. Having access to more then we would normally has to be a factor.

syndicate
12-02-2007, 03:36 PM
yeah id mention that because alot of the euro guys have dif import/export laws they tend to have species before we do giving them a head start on breeding things before we have them here.it could also be due to the hobby has been more popular there longer than it has here.

metallica
12-02-2007, 03:43 PM
i think Europeans travel more, and so make good contacts world wide. making imports easier. proffesional socienties like the BTS and the DeArGe also help with articles of the spiders in their habitat.

Tescos
12-02-2007, 03:48 PM
I also think it is because we have really good beer over here also.;)














and sausages!

Talkenlate04
12-02-2007, 03:49 PM
i think Europeans travel more, and so make good contacts world wide. making imports easier. proffesional socienties like the BTS and the DeArGe also help with articles of the spiders in their habitat.

I agree.... seems like information sharing, REAL GOOD information sharing happens more often over there then it does here. Not to sure why that is, but I think it's true.

I have been getting some articles that were translated for me to read and they are very informative.......

Maybe us lazy Americans don't take as much time as we could writing down our individual findings in an article format and sharing things. :rolleyes:



and sausages! Oh wow yes! I'll give you that, you all know your pork! :worship:

Drachenjager
12-02-2007, 04:02 PM
I agree.... seems like information sharing, REAL GOOD information sharing happens more often over there then it does here. Not to sure why that is, but I think it's true.

I have been getting some articles that were translated for me to read and they are very informative.......

Maybe us lazy Americans don't take as much time as we could writing down our individual findings in an article format and sharing things. :rolleyes:


Oh wow yes! I'll give you that, you all know your pork! :worship:

the beir is better than the wurst

metallica
12-02-2007, 04:07 PM
also, when buying spiderlings most here buy a group rather then a single specimen. making the odds better in getting males/ females.

Frédérick
12-02-2007, 04:13 PM
[QUOTE=Tescos;1037229]I also think it is because we have really good beer over here also.;)


The canadian ones are not bad too, but i know, nothing compared to yours obviously...:drool: If you ever go to Quebec, try the Unibroue brand, pretty good! ;)

I had the idea to focus on a particular genus as well, to become some sort of an "expert" in it and getting an increased productivity on the long run...I really hope the hobby will extend much more in North America, here in Quebec we are very few hobbyists...but we do have Tarantula Canada though, fortunately! Is importing so hard in the States or is it just long and frustrating?

Paramite
12-02-2007, 04:19 PM
I live in europe, but I still think it's amazing how big the hobby is in Germany. Here in Finland, for example, there are only few hundred hobbyists or so. But it doesn't really matter, because it's really easy to order Ts from germany. :D

Talkenlate04
12-02-2007, 04:30 PM
also, when buying spiderlings most here buy a group rather then a single specimen. making the odds better in getting males/ females.

Another good point. I have read a few things that said breeders buy things in groups of ten or more most of the time to ensure they have a breeding group that will be worth while.

Fenrir
12-02-2007, 04:41 PM
Germany seems advanced in quite a few pet trades not just Ts. Their vivarium building techniques annihilate ours w/ ease. German dart frog vivariums are beautiful. Europe is much more diverse and traveled than the US, which is why so much of our country is ignorant of others cultures. We do one up other countries on a few things like movies but european commercials are so much better than ours, budweiser excluded. Also having been an isolationistic country for a good portion of our history does not help our ignorance nor make other countries want to sell rare goods to us. Imagine if you lived in say Montana and drove 4 hours in any direction and went through 2 states. You would hear one language, English. Do that same drive in Germany or any other European country it will be much different. Funny that we are culturally retarded b/c of our sheer size. We need german imports! I say mass hordes of Ts and frogs. Chicken spiders and D. Histronicus.

Off-Topic
Btw how is pf a word?

vvx
12-02-2007, 04:49 PM
Germany also only works 35 hours a week/has much more vacation time on average than in America right? (Though I imagine Finland is similar so that kind of blows that theory away...)

tin man
12-02-2007, 05:23 PM
I kind of think that those rare tarantulas are more common in europe, because many rare species are in Europe, so they are more common (less expensive).

David Burns
12-02-2007, 09:04 PM
Germans = Master race. ;)

problemchildx
12-02-2007, 09:20 PM
Germans = Master race. ;)

I think you mean the Prussians.. ;)

fartkowski
12-02-2007, 10:05 PM
I believe the people in Europe also breed alot more than North Americans.

PhormictopusMan
12-02-2007, 10:18 PM
I believe the people in Europe also breed alot more than North Americans.

Breed spiders? or with each other? {D

--Chris

RottweilExpress
12-03-2007, 01:06 AM
There's some good reasons in this thread I suppose. But that does not explain why Germany, and only Germany has such a big hobbyist crowd. You don't see much (in my case internet sites, forum members, advertisements) from the neighbouring countries such as France, Italy or Spain. Just...Germany.

Tiny Denmark has a good few though, and here in Sweden we have a good group too. But it's nowhere near the trade in Germany. It's also always germans dominating the insect part section on our biggest fairs too.

problemchildx
12-03-2007, 07:42 AM
The answer could be as simple as... People are more laid back in Europe and are into a wide variety of things. Most people in America are afraid, or hate spiders.. Whereas most of the orginial taxonomy and classification of species was done by Europeans.. And then you've got the BTS, which outlasts any other Tarantula Society.
:?

Frédérick
12-03-2007, 10:01 AM
yeah I think it's mostly a matter of time, they probably started and popularized the hobby sooner than in america or maybe anywhere else, so this hobby have been in their culture decades before us...and i agree that the work on taxonomy was done in a large proportion by europeans, and tell me if i'm wrong but i heard about a lot of german naturalists and botanists (easy example: Carl von Linné), it may be linked...

xenesthis
12-03-2007, 10:01 AM
Two reasons come to mind:

1) Hundreds of years ago, while the European powers were taking lands and gold along with slaves, the Germans did also, but had a big interest in the natural world and took lots of animals to bring back and study. Germans have always put science and the study of animals high in their priorities and it shows.

2) No "Lacy Act" to regulate them. U.S. residents can not travel to Brazil and take tarantulas as our government will enforce Brazil's fauna laws. If German residents go to Brazil and bring back tarantulas without the Brazilian authorities catching them, the German government doesn't have a Lacy Act and therefore, they don't care about that. This accounts for a big reason why the Germany hobby has so many Brazilian, Indian, Colombian and Mexican species.

If a German hobbyist knows of any change in the laws, please update us on this thread. Thanks.

Frédérick
12-03-2007, 10:13 AM
I heard about a German T freak who used to pick lots of arthropods in countries of South America and got caught quite recently and is doing prison...

T.Raab
12-03-2007, 10:18 AM
and tell me if i'm wrong You are wrong. Carl von Linné (Carl Nilsson Linnaeus) was a swedish botanist, physician and zoologist. ;)

Frédérick
12-03-2007, 10:38 AM
You are wrong. Carl von Linné (Carl Nilsson Linnaeus) was a swedish botanist, physician and zoologist. ;)

I knew Linné wasn't a german name at all :(

Since you live in Germany, do you have something to say about the topic (this includes any other german hobbyist)?

T.Raab
12-03-2007, 01:02 PM
I knew Linné wasn't a german name at all :(

Since you live in Germany, do you have something to say about the topic (this includes any other german hobbyist)?

hmmm if you knew that, why did you make just this example? ;)

I have no clue about WHY the hobby is so strong in germany. I think there are many serious keeper and breeder that dont do only keep single spiders.

A big influence is the germany society DeArGe (www.deage.de) and some good german discussion boards.

xgrafcorex
12-03-2007, 01:16 PM
I also think it is because we have really good beer over here also.;)

the reinheitsgebot is alright...i gotta say, i don't see the point of limiting ingredients though. see: belgian ales. ;P