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Aubrey Sidwell
02-16-2008, 02:48 AM
I recently received some tarantulas I purchased as Euathlus sp. "chilean fire". What I received looks nothing like what I had imagined and I would like some help in possibly identifying them or at the very least figuring out what genus they are in if it turns out they are not Euathlus. I am providing some photos for you to look at which include unsexed adults and a mature male. I have never posted in the "Picture ID" section of this forum so it was easier for me to post it here.

Unsexed
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb212/asidwell_album/DSC_1707.jpg

Unsexed "abdomen"
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb212/asidwell_album/DSC_1706.jpg

Unsexed "ventral"
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb212/asidwell_album/DSC_1718.jpg

Mature male "tibial hook"
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb212/asidwell_album/DSC_1723.jpg

Mature male "embolus"
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb212/asidwell_album/DSC_1724.jpg

Aurelia
02-16-2008, 03:01 AM
hmm...my guess is red phase G. rosea.

Arborealis
02-16-2008, 03:58 AM
Definitely looks like a G. rosea.

gride225
02-16-2008, 09:03 AM
i also have a Euthalus sp. Chilean fire. I was told they are not Grammostola sp. and I gave the dealer the benefit of the doubt. they seem to act like G Rosea but mine looks very similar to yours. how are you keeping him, terrestrial set-up?

Steveyruss
02-16-2008, 09:12 AM
Looks like a normal rosie to me...

M.F.Bagaturov
02-16-2008, 09:39 AM
+1
Usual G. rosea RCF and has nothing in common with any of known Euathlus sp.
Any close-up of the scopula?

clearlysaid
02-16-2008, 10:34 AM
I've bought the same "Euathlus sp." before from Mark Lucas. It's a G rosea RCF.

CFNSmok.PL
02-16-2008, 11:45 AM
It does look like G. rosea RCF.

Smok

thedude
02-16-2008, 11:47 AM
if it helps one looks to be a female....

Widowman10
02-16-2008, 12:26 PM
if it helps one looks to be a female....

seconded..

and it does appear pretty G. rosea-ish to me as well.

WARPIG
02-16-2008, 12:41 PM
Agreed with everyone on G rosea RCF

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Aubrey Sidwell
02-16-2008, 07:07 PM
i also have a Euthalus sp. Chilean fire. I was told they are not Grammostola sp. and I gave the dealer the benefit of the doubt. they seem to act like G Rosea but mine looks very similar to yours. how are you keeping him, terrestrial set-up?

I have not set them up in permanent homes yet. They are in deli cups but will be moving into larger shoebox sized sterilite containers with a water dish and 3-4 inches of coir substrate.


+1
Usual G. rosea RCF and has nothing in common with any of known Euathlus sp.
Any close-up of the scopula?

I have not tried to get a photo of the scoplua but I can try and post it up here later. My camera may not be able to get close enough for the detail level needed.

tacoma0680
02-16-2008, 07:10 PM
I think it's Euathlus sp. Final answer. Bzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!{D

Mushroom Spore
02-16-2008, 07:14 PM
Nice G. rosea! {D

Rick McJimsey
02-16-2008, 07:16 PM
either g,rosea rcf, or maybe paraphysa scrofa?

GailC
02-16-2008, 07:50 PM
I vote RCF rosea too, you can even see a slight pink tint on the carapace.

Aubrey Sidwell
02-16-2008, 09:34 PM
Nice G. rosea! {D

Thats what happens when you buy from an importer. They don't usually provide photos and they don't always know what they are selling. I take the risk because it usually works in my favor. In this case I didn't give much for them so even if they turn out to be G. rosea RCF I don't care.:cool:

reptist
02-16-2008, 11:59 PM
If that spider is Grammastola rosea where is the mirror patch on the abdomen, I'm guessing they walk w/ a strange gate as well usualy keeping the 3rd leg elevated in some strange posture, I have also had them and have also compared them to the RCF rosea and the differances are slight but are there, I noticed it most in the way they move, they just dont act like rosea, and its consistant w/ all of the specimen I have had, I have C/B babies now @ the eggs w/ legs stage and have sold a few adults as E. sp chilean fire, which I bought them as and everyone that has seen them up close seems to notice the differances as well, pix do not do this sp. justice as I'm sure the OP can attest to, my money would have to rest on Paraphysa or Euathlus sp. although in photos they do look verry much like G rosea RCF, if you see them in person especialy next to a G rosea RCF you can tell the differance not only in appearance but also in the way they act, PEACE, B.

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Pink-Poodle88
02-17-2008, 12:00 AM
Looks like a G. rosea to me as well, but hard to tell.

ChondroGirl
02-17-2008, 12:18 AM
Does not look like any Euathlus species that I have ever seen. It's carapace definitely looks like G. rosea. Even the legs and setae look rosea, probably red color phase.

Aschamne
02-17-2008, 08:42 AM
I think it looks more like a Grammostola sp "concepcion". Here is a link
http://www.tarantulaspiders.com/product/grammostola-sp-red-concepcion.

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M.F.Bagaturov
02-17-2008, 11:08 AM
He-he...
The "seller's" description stated: "It looks similar to the G. rosea "Red Rose Hair" of central Chile, but the lower legs have lots of white hairs."
But this is NOT the real difference between G. rosea RCF and G sp. "Concepsion" - thge difference is the very different scopula in G. sp. "Concepsion".
Just for the spider in question it is NO way Euathlus or Paraphysa or anything else. To exclude the possibility for it been rosea or concepsion as I've ask above before we need legs scopula pic.

GailC
02-17-2008, 11:52 AM
I recently bought a "flame tarantula" from a local pet store, she looks identical to th OP pictures. Now I am wondering what in the world she might be. I had thought she was a RCF rosea but also wondered about the mirror patch, though she just might need to molt.
She layed a sack not long ago but ate it:(

I could try and get the scopula pictures but I have no idea where that is LOL.

EDIT: I tried to get pictures of the underside but none turned out, I have a fairly crappy camera. I did get a pretty decent pic of the T itself though.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/waldo_20012001/bugs/DSC02366.jpg

jpet
02-17-2008, 12:12 PM
Ive recently bought one of these also. The one thing I have noticed is mine doesnt seem to have the "fear" of moisture my rosea has.

M.F.Bagaturov
02-17-2008, 12:36 PM
Hi Waldo

I could try and get the scopula pictures but I have no idea where that is LOL.
Here You go: http://theraphosidae.fotopic.net/c907556.html

GailC
02-17-2008, 01:17 PM
Well, they aren't the best but its all I could manage.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/waldo_20012001/bugs/DSC02387.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/waldo_20012001/bugs/DSC02386.jpg

I also took a look at the scopula of my rosea's, they do look slightly different even to my inexperianced eye.

Aubrey Sidwell
02-17-2008, 10:13 PM
He-he...
The "seller's" description stated: "It looks similar to the G. rosea "Red Rose Hair" of central Chile, but the lower legs have lots of white hairs."
But this is NOT the real difference between G. rosea RCF and G sp. "Concepsion" - thge difference is the very different scopula in G. sp. "Concepsion".
Just for the spider in question it is NO way Euathlus or Paraphysa or anything else. To exclude the possibility for it been rosea or concepsion as I've ask above before we need legs scopula pic.

I did my best to get the photos you requested.

L4
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb212/asidwell_album/Untitled8.jpg

L4
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb212/asidwell_album/Untitled7.jpg

L4
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb212/asidwell_album/Untitled6.jpg

L1
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb212/asidwell_album/Untitled5.jpg

L1
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb212/asidwell_album/Untitled4.jpg

L1
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb212/asidwell_album/Untitled3.jpg

L1
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb212/asidwell_album/Untitled2.jpg

L1
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb212/asidwell_album/Untitled1.jpg

L1
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb212/asidwell_album/Untitled.jpg

SNAFU
02-18-2008, 02:13 AM
My son also has a 3.5" female sold as a Euathlus sp."Chilean Flame". Looks a whole lot like a G.Rosea but has a red/orange tint all over and easily seen vertical stripes on the legs. The thing about his its not a "pet rock" at all. It stays active and will wolf down multiple crickets like my L. Parahybana's! RCF G. Rosea...??...Does'nt really matter, its a great looking T and very laid back. I'm thinking about getting one myself to balance out all the nasty ones I have that want to fill my face with hairs or chomp my fingers!:D

M.F.Bagaturov
02-18-2008, 10:10 AM
SNAFU. Your tarantula is most possibly a Paraphysa cf. scrofa or another one close looking Paraphysa sp. used to imported from Chile.
Waldo. I think You have the ordinary G. rosea RCF as I don't think the scopula on leg I can be reffered as extremely wide as it is clearly seen on G. sp. "concepsion" (http://images4.fotopic.net/?iid=ygd1cx&noresize=1&nostamp=1&quality=70)
Icelos. Can You get photos of the underside view of scopula of the leg I of Your tarantula like You done on leg IV???

Aubrey Sidwell
02-18-2008, 01:33 PM
SNAFU. Your tarantula is most possibly a Paraphysa cf. scrofa or another one close looking Paraphysa sp. used to imported from Chile.
Waldo. I think You have the ordinary G. rosea RCF as I don't think the scopula on leg I can be reffered as extremely wide as it is clearly seen on G. sp. "concepsion" (http://images4.fotopic.net/?iid=ygd1cx&noresize=1&nostamp=1&quality=70)
Icelos. Can You get photos of the underside view of scopula of the leg I of Your tarantula like You done on leg IV???

Leg set 1 for you.

L1
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb212/asidwell_album/Untitled11.jpg

L1
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb212/asidwell_album/Untitled10.jpg

L1
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb212/asidwell_album/Untitled9.jpg

Aubrey Sidwell
02-18-2008, 03:43 PM
After more research I have been able to positively ID it as Grammostola though the common name of G. rosea RCF may not be true. What I did find out is that the tarsal claws of Euathlus sp. have no teeth on the inside of the claw and Paraphysa has 1-3 teeth on one of the claws while the other on the same leg is without. What I have found is that the tarsal claws on the spiders I have do have teeth. I count five on the inside of the claw shown below. That rules out both Euathlus and Paraphysa.

Tarsal claw Grammostola sp.
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb212/asidwell_album/Untitled12.jpg

M.F.Bagaturov
02-18-2008, 05:03 PM
Nice finding Icelos. It was not Euathlus or Paraphysa from the beginning...
As You can realise Yourself looking Your pics of the scopula of leg I - it is clearly unmodified, thus => Grammostola sp. _not_ concepsion.
I'm still suppose it is G. rosea RCF...

RottweilExpress
02-18-2008, 08:08 PM
Beautiful T's, whatever they are.