ID Mygalomorph sp (Veracruz/Mexico)?

[John Bokma]

http://toxicice.com/images/mygalomorph-sp.jpg
I mistook this spider at first for a tarantula, but I know now that it's not. Can anyone ID this species? I guess an exact ID is not possible, but possible hints would be nice. I've seen this species (or very similar ones) in dry areas in Veracruz (close to the border with Puebla) and Puebla. They make a lot of webbing.

[What]

Looks like a Diplurid of some kind.

[cacoseraph]

i agree with what

big ol' long spinners :)

Senor Platnick says

Euagrus anops Mexico gs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Euagrus+anops) GiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Euagrus+anops) Vgs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Euagrus+anops+veracruz) vGiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Euagrus+anops+veracruz) oooh! wiki says this sp is blind! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_spiders
Euagrus carlos Mexico to Costa Rica gs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Euagrus+carlos) GiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Euagrus+carlos) Vgs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Euagrus+carlos+veracruz) vGiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Euagrus+carlos+veracruz)
Euagrus cavernicola Mexico gs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Euagrus+cavernicola) GiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Euagrus+cavernicola) Vgs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Euagrus+cavernicola+veracruz) vGiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Euagrus+cavernicola+veracruz) this one's species name means "lives in carverns/caves" or something to that effect
Euagrus charcus Mexico gs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Euagrus+charcus) GiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Euagrus+charcus) Vgs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Euagrus+charcus+veracruz) vGiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Euagrus+charcus+veracruz)
Euagrus chisoseus Gertsch USA Mexico gs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Euagrus+chisoseus Gertsch) GiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Euagrus+chisoseus Gertsch) Vgs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Euagrus+chisoseus Gertsch+veracruz) vGiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Euagrus+chisoseus Gertsch+veracruz)
Euagrus garnicus Mexico gs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Euagrus+garnicus) GiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Euagrus+garnicus) Vgs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Euagrus+garnicus+veracruz) vGiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Euagrus+garnicus+veracruz)
Euagrus gertschi Mexico gs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Euagrus+gertschi) GiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Euagrus+gertschi) Vgs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Euagrus+gertschi+veracruz) vGiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Euagrus+gertschi+veracruz)
Euagrus gus Mexico gs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Euagrus+gus) GiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Euagrus+gus) Vgs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Euagrus+gus+veracruz) vGiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Euagrus+gus+veracruz)
Euagrus josephus Mexico gs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Euagrus+josephus) GiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Euagrus+josephus) Vgs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Euagrus+josephus+veracruz) vGiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Euagrus+josephus+veracruz)
Euagrus leones Mexico gs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Euagrus+leones) GiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Euagrus+leones) Vgs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Euagrus+leones+veracruz) vGiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Euagrus+leones+veracruz)
Euagrus luteus Mexico gs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Euagrus+luteus) GiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Euagrus+luteus) Vgs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Euagrus+luteus+veracruz) vGiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Euagrus+luteus+veracruz)
Euagrus lynceus Mexico Guatemala gs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Euagrus+lynceus) GiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Euagrus+lynceus) Vgs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Euagrus+lynceus+veracruz) vGiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Euagrus+lynceus+veracruz)
Euagrus mexicanus Mexico gs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Euagrus+mexicanus) GiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Euagrus+mexicanus) Vgs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Euagrus+mexicanus+veracruz) vGiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Euagrus+mexicanus+veracruz)
Euagrus pristinus Mexico gs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Euagrus+pristinus) GiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Euagrus+pristinus) Vgs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Euagrus+pristinus+veracruz) vGiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Euagrus+pristinus+veracruz)
Euagrus rubrigularis Mexico gs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Euagrus+rubrigularis) GiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Euagrus+rubrigularis) Vgs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Euagrus+rubrigularis+veracruz) vGiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Euagrus+rubrigularis+veracruz)
Euagrus troglodyta Mexico gs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Euagrus+troglodyta) GiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Euagrus+troglodyta) Vgs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Euagrus+troglodyta+veracruz) vGiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Euagrus+troglodyta+veracruz)
Euagrus zacus Mexico gs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Euagrus+zacus) GiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Euagrus+zacus) Vgs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Euagrus+zacus+veracruz) vGiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Euagrus+zacus+veracruz)
Ischnothele caudata Mexico to Brazil gs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Ischnothele+caudata) GiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Ischnothele+caudata) Vgs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Ischnothele+caudata+veracruz) vGiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Ischnothele+caudata+veracruz)
Ischnothele digitata Mexico to El Salvador gs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Ischnothele+digitata) GiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Ischnothele+digitata) Vgs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Ischnothele+digitata+veracruz) vGiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Ischnothele+digitata+veracruz)

(gs = google search, GiS= Google Image Search)
(the v's are with veracruz added in)

[cacoseraph]

oh, and for completeness... here are the other myg species found in mexico according to platnick

atypidae Sphodros paisano USA Mexico gs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Sphodros+paisano) GiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Sphodros+paisano)
barychelidae Thalerommata meridana Mexico gs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Thalerommata+meridana) GiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Thalerommata+meridana)
ctenizidae Bothriocyrtum fabrile Mexico gs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Bothriocyrtum+fabrile) GiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Bothriocyrtum+fabrile)
ctenizidae Cyclocosmia loricata Mexico Guatemala gs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Cyclocosmia+loricata) GiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Cyclocosmia+loricata) check this one out! Cyclocosmia are AWESOME!
ctenizidae Ummidia oaxacana Mexico gs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Ummidia+oaxacana) GiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Ummidia+oaxacana)
ctenizidae Ummidia pustulosa Mexico gs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Ummidia+pustulosa) GiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Ummidia+pustulosa)
cyrtaucheniidae Entychides aurantiacus Mexico gs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Entychides+aurantiacus) GiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Entychides+aurantiacus)
cyrtaucheniidae Entychides dugesi Mexico gs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Entychides+dugesi) GiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Entychides+dugesi)
cyrtaucheniidae Eucteniza atoyacensis Mexico gs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Eucteniza+atoyacensis) GiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Eucteniza+atoyacensis)
cyrtaucheniidae Eucteniza mexicana Mexico gs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Eucteniza+mexicana) GiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Eucteniza+mexicana)
cyrtaucheniidae Eucteniza relata Mexico gs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Eucteniza+relata) GiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Eucteniza+relata)

mecicobothriidae Hexurella encina Mexico gs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Hexurella+encina) GiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Hexurella+encina)
nemisiidae Mexentypesa chiapas Mexico gs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Mexentypesa+chiapas) GiS (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Mexentypesa+chiapas)

[bluefrogtat2]

looks great i wish they were available in the states.
great pic too
andy

[josh_r]

how big is that thing??? really nice spider!

[Bastian Drolshagen]

hi,
it is an Euagrus sp.

[cacoseraph]

actually, those veracruz google searches aren't goign to be that useful

http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=Euagrus+veracruz

Euagrus+veracruz only has 5 hits

http://www.conabio.gob.mx/informacion/catalogo_autoridades/animales/Arachnida/Arachnida.xls
is quite interesting in general but does not help us out here. for some reason there are NO Euagrus in that spreadsheet! i am going to see if they are mistakenly listed under an old synonym or something (edit: nope... it's weird, i don't find any Aphonopelma or Brachypelma in that spreadsheet either.. possibly it lacks mygs? it has true spiders and scorps though :/ )

ooh, i hope you find Hadrurus aztecus!