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ScottySalticid
09-24-2008, 04:25 PM
According to my entomology professor, I have some Phidippus audax. I think they're spiderlings though because they are brownish gray. Sorry, they're so small I can't take pics!
jeff h
09-24-2008, 09:02 PM
How small is too small for pics? Can you give a metric size?
P. audax are always black as early instars, and their 'base' color is black. Pictures would be a big help. I don't believe they are audax. Where are you located (state, county if you're up to it)?
ScottySalticid
09-24-2008, 09:50 PM
How small is too small for pics? Can you give a metric size?
P. audax are always black as early instars, and their 'base' color is black. Pictures would be a big help. I don't believe they are audax. Where are you located (state, county if you're up to it)?

About 0.3 or 0.4 millimeters without the legs. I'm located in Bucks County, PA. I'm pretty sure they're audax spiderlings. My professor is not really one to mess around. He really knows his stuff. And come to think of it, all these jumpers are occupying the same areas in the dorms in large-ish numbers(I find tons of them at a time) suggesting they're spiderlings emerging from eggsacs maybe?

Also, I'm looking at them again. They do have patches of black on them, and I think some white too on the others, but they're sleeping and they just happen to enjoy sleeping right under the lid.
crpy
09-24-2008, 09:55 PM
They could possibly have grey on them with the white patches blending with the black perhaps. I thought you were in NJ
ScottySalticid
09-24-2008, 10:24 PM
They could possibly have grey on them with the white patches blending with the black perhaps. I thought you were in NJ

i go to school in PA though
crpy
09-24-2008, 10:33 PM
i go to school in PA though

ooohhh, yeah I remember now, im old you know. Hey I just caught a bear, its in the trap as we speak....or type:o :D
ScottySalticid
09-24-2008, 11:30 PM
ooohhh, yeah I remember now, im old you know. Hey I just caught a bear, its in the trap as we speak....or type:o :D

I'm uploading pictures now
ScottySalticid
09-24-2008, 11:44 PM
Here are 2 pics I uploaded. I had 4 uploading, but the internet froze on me during the process.

Here's one I found today.

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb258/FalconPunch19/Jumper4Zoom.jpg

Here are the two my professor looked at and said they were the audax. I think the flash brought out their colors alot.

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb258/FalconPunch19/Jumper6Zoom.jpg
ErikWestblom
09-25-2008, 01:58 AM
About 0.3 or 0.4 millimeters without the legs.

Think you mean 3 or 4 mm.
crpy
09-25-2008, 07:09 AM
Think you mean 3 or 4 mm.

yeh, and, imo those arent P. audax, sorry lord:D
ScottySalticid
09-25-2008, 12:28 PM
yeh, and, imo those arent P. audax, sorry lord:D

yea i meant 3 or 4 mm. i'm hopefully going to take them back to my professor today and have him take a second look at them. he's very very very good with IDing spiders and can name them after 5 seconds of looking at them, but maybe the lighting in his office made them look darker than normal. i'll keep you guys updated.

either way i'm gonna keep 'em
jeff h
09-25-2008, 08:30 PM
You seem to have an adult (adult male at least) pair of jumpers (if they're the same species. looks like it). Naphrys, Sitticus or one of the tiny jumper genera in your area, which might be numerous.

I don't see anything that would suggest immature Phidippus, even in poor lighting.
ScottySalticid
09-25-2008, 10:10 PM
You seem to have an adult (adult male at least) pair of jumpers (if they're the same species. looks like it). Naphrys, Sitticus or one of the tiny jumper genera in your area, which might be numerous.

I don't see anything that would suggest immature Phidippus, even in poor lighting.

well my professor says the babies' coloration varies greatly as spiderlings. I'd trust this guy with any arachnid.

still i'm gonna try and see him tomorrow and have him take a second peek
crpy
09-25-2008, 10:31 PM
uummm, the cephalothorax is way dif than audax.

Also is it just me or does anyone else see a set of gloves on one of those dudes
8+)
09-25-2008, 11:13 PM
Wow talk about posting in the wrong forum!!! :?

Yeah, those are def boxing gloves on that dude! No way that's a sling...
jynxxxedangel
09-26-2008, 01:15 AM
The one is DEF a mature male of some species..

Those don't look anything like audax to me..trust me, I have them at all stages of growth, coming out my bloody EARS!! {D
jynxxxedangel
09-26-2008, 01:21 AM
Looks like maybe P. pruinosus?