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Faunya
09-28-2008, 09:12 PM
Well, I have a VERY large (approx 6ft long X 2 1/2ft deep X 3ft tall) terrarium that I don't have a current use for. It's a home-made project that I acquired second hand, thinking it would be good for a large snake, but I don't trust the strength of the material for that....It's made of clear vinyl on all sides, and the top is completely made of screen.

So, I have a choice...I can either get rid of this thing, or try something REALLY different. I've seen others with communal pokie projects, communal avic projects, etc...but this is usually with just a handful of individuals....

Does anyone have an educated guess on how successful something like this would be, or would I be investing my money in tarantula warfare here? Which species is supposedly THE MOST successful in a communal setting? Avic avic?

Any help will be much appreciated.

clam1991
09-28-2008, 09:15 PM
the only problem ive heard of if its to big then the spiders will get territorial and there would be more deaths than if there was a small tank
and ive heard sac mates do best

Thompson08
09-28-2008, 09:23 PM
I have regalis in communal right now. If your going to do a communal they do better in smaller cages ( Got this all from ryan Talkenlate04) And make sure they are well fed. Provide hides.

Faunya
09-28-2008, 09:27 PM
the only problem ive heard of if its to big then the spiders will get territorial and there would be more deaths than if there was a small tank
and ive heard sac mates do best

Perhaps in this case it would be better to over-crowd them then? I know this to be a useful tool when dealing with specific species of fish...it just seems this would be stressful (dare I even USE that word after looking through some other threads today? :o).

Has something like this been done? Is there any kind of "formula" to determine the best #/square foot of space?

clam1991
09-28-2008, 09:30 PM
you should ask talkenlate04 he'll know all about it

Faunya
09-28-2008, 09:31 PM
Well, it sounds as though my great big terrarium isn't useful for much of anything. :mad:

I appreciate the imput though, guys....I guess I just had this neat little picture in my mind....a dozen or so Avics living in perfect harmony inside a beautiful, well planted terrarium...they'd be swinging from vines and hollering like Tarzan...*sigh*

Faunya
09-28-2008, 09:33 PM
you should ask talkenlate04 he'll know all about it

Ya see, I have this "thing". I'm fine in open forums, asking questions, talking, and such...but if I don't really know someone, initiating a conversation directly is like giving a speech naked....social anxiety disorder....its a strange thing.

Thompson08
09-28-2008, 09:34 PM
well how much are you going to be putting in the cage? maybe 200?

clam1991
09-28-2008, 09:34 PM
well it might work if you have enough

but your talking a lot of avics:D

and if it goes south then that would be terrible:(

Faunya
09-28-2008, 09:37 PM
well how much are you going to be putting in the cage? maybe 200?

GEEZ! That's a lot of Avics! I know it's a big terrarium, but that seems a bit excessive, doesn't it?

I guess I COULD try a whole sac....but it would be quite the pain trying to get that many slings up to a large enough size to go in...

Thompson08
09-28-2008, 09:38 PM
Well if they have enough room to make their own territories they will fight over them thus having dead t's.

Thompson08
09-28-2008, 09:39 PM
GEEZ! That's a lot of Avics! I know it's a big terrarium, but that seems a bit excessive, doesn't it?

I guess I COULD try a whole sac....but it would be quite the pain trying to get that many slings up to a large enough size to go in...

Thats a really big cage. Maybe you should try to get a 10 gal tank. But make sure its high.

Merfolk
09-28-2008, 11:42 PM
200 Avics in a tank!!!:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

In a matter of weeks, your glass will be plain white!!!{D {D {D

I've heard of a multi species mega communal, working well to this day. Many species, like Avics with OBT. The guy is plain lucky!

Faunya
09-28-2008, 11:49 PM
200 Avics in a tank!!!:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

In a matter of weeks, your glass will be plain white!!!{D {D {D

I've heard of a multi species mega communal, working well to this day. Many species, like Avics with OBT. The guy is plain lucky!


I actually tossed this idea around...something like GBBs and Avics (I wouldn't wanna watch out for THAT many OBTs!), but I figured I'd get laughed right out of here.:o I'll be happy if I can get ANY sort of T community going here.

Faunya
09-28-2008, 11:51 PM
I've heard of a multi species mega communal, working well to this day. Many species, like Avics with OBT. The guy is plain lucky!

Do you have any reference to this info? I'd love to see/read up on this.

bliss
09-28-2008, 11:51 PM
..they'd be swinging from vines and hollering like Tarzan...*sigh*

{D {D {D

i want to see that in a cartoon!

--dan--

Fluke
09-29-2008, 09:41 AM
I know that Rob is talking about doing a 100 p.regalis communal tank. I have a 9 Regalis communal going pretty well right now. The reoccuring help/advice I hear about these are to give them a small enclosure so they don't make territories and fight with one another. Also- make sure they are well fed. I am feeding the spiderlings twice a week- 1/4 cricket. Mine are about 1-1.25 inches.

Rob said that when they are adults they will be in a 9x3x2.5 or something like that. Right now, mine are in a 2qt jug. I will be moving them to a gallon jug when I feel like they are getting cramped. Then a 2.5 tank, 5gal, 10 gall ect ect. As you can see They will be going through many tank changes as they grow until they will get to their 38 gallon or so when they are adults.

Moltar
09-29-2008, 10:19 AM
H incei have been proven to be ultra-communal. They're terrestrial sorta semi-burrowing heavy webbing dwarfs rather than big beautiful arboreals but you'll still end up with a fascinating little web city to watch.

Check this out: http://arachnofreak.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3325&PN=0&TPN=1

Merfolk
09-29-2008, 11:09 AM
I have young breeding pairs of various pokies sp. I intend to do a multi specific communal with a few of eache sacs and remove the males at a certain point. Yes, there will be cannibalism but you had it among humans in harsh times, not expecting it in animals is a bit illogic. Ornata is out of the picture, proven many times to be mutualy aggressive (and with the most cases of sacmates cannibalism before the usual separation). My metallica and miranda are only males, so it will be rufilata/fasciata/regalis.

agent lead
09-29-2008, 11:26 AM
H incei have been proven to be ultra-communal. They're terrestrial sorta semi-burrowing heavy webbing dwarfs rather than big beautiful arboreals but you'll still end up with a fascinating little web city to watch.

Check this out: http://arachnofreak.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3325&PN=0&TPN=1


thats awesome...haha i wonder how you do maintenance on that tank!

ctsoth
10-10-2008, 11:28 AM
Read the thread, the tank mostly runs itself. Besides of course cricket injections.

proper_tea
10-10-2008, 11:37 AM
H incei have been proven to be ultra-communal. They're terrestrial sorta semi-burrowing heavy webbing dwarfs rather than big beautiful arboreals but you'll still end up with a fascinating little web city to watch.

Check this out: http://arachnofreak.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3325&PN=0&TPN=1

Yeah... H. incei are totally the way to go. Get a female and breed her. They breed easily, and are amazingly social.. I have about 30 1.5" slings living with their mother in a 5 gallon. They all keep to one end, and the mom will actually hunt for them and bring back pre-killed prey for them to eat. They crawl all over each other and don't show the slightest signs of territorial or aggressive behavior.

Amazing species.

the nature boy
10-10-2008, 01:28 PM
This thread about exactly what you're interested in went up today on ATS. Great info.

http://www.atshq.org/forum/showthread.php?t=19443

--the nature boy

J.huff23
10-10-2008, 03:26 PM
H.Incei do well communually. I saw a thread on another forum with at least 10 probably more in one giant tank.

Protectyaaaneck
10-10-2008, 04:29 PM
Well, it sounds as though my great big terrarium isn't useful for much of anything. :mad:

Well if your looking to make it useful and your finding the communal set up isnt going to work, then why dont you look into converting it into a multi enclosure cage. This way you can make a really cool looking enclosure that houses maybe say 6-10 or so T's. If it isnt clear like glass than I dont know if this would be a good idea. Just my opinion. But if your looking to do a communal I would guess either a p. regalis or a h. incei setup, but I dont have any firsthand experience in this so I dont know if i would take my advice lol.

ShellsandScales
10-10-2008, 05:24 PM
If you search on here there was already a thread about communal H. incei and they are very successful with I believe either a 75gal or 125 gal tank. H. incei are truely communal not just tolerant of each other I would maybe do a search and start there.

GForce14063
10-10-2008, 05:28 PM
I have 9 sub adults H incei that I am thinking about a communal tank ever since I seen the communal tank at the ATS site. I will post pics once I have it set up.

Protectyaaaneck
10-10-2008, 06:09 PM
I dont know if i would try that gforce. If I were you I would purchase a few sac mates at sling size rather than throw sub adults together.:eek:

Potemkin
10-10-2008, 06:24 PM
I'd say the best idea is a nice dart frog tank. Tarantulas are nice, but if you really want to do a communal project, darts are great. Leucs or galacts would never fight, you can set up a kickass cage with a ton of plants. Then you can keep the rest of your T's in five gallons on top of the cage.