Little house cleaning. [Archive]

Talkenlate04

11-11-2008, 01:36 PM

She just has to have her hide perfect before she will even think of making a sac!

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Neuroticax

11-11-2008, 02:32 PM

She sure was busy!

J.huff23

11-11-2008, 03:59 PM

Lol. Shes picky.

Talkenlate04

11-11-2008, 08:34 PM

Just going to add segments as they are active.

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miarachnids

11-11-2008, 09:11 PM

Nice vids. Funny how one stops and the other starts.

Talkenlate04

11-11-2008, 09:53 PM

Ya I am excited because they both should drop very close together. Maybe on the same day if I get lucky. The striata on the left seems to be slightly behind the schedule of the regalis but I guess we shale see!

cityzooguy

11-11-2008, 11:12 PM

nice videos, very cool setup.

Talkenlate04

11-12-2008, 01:30 AM

Arborealis

11-12-2008, 01:57 AM

I can't see the videos:( They won't play for me.

Talkenlate04

11-12-2008, 02:09 AM

I can't see the videos:( They won't play for me.

It is something with your computer then because they work on every computer I have been to today. Hope you figure it out.

Talkenlate04

11-12-2008, 02:20 AM

Talkenlate04

11-12-2008, 04:30 PM

Man the regalis really got busy last night! I had my computer on time lapsing overnight, but for some unknown reason my computer decided it wanted to shut down :( Here is what is going on as of 11 am this morning.

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Alex080

11-12-2008, 04:58 PM

Man the regalis really got busy last night! I had my computer on time lapsing overnight, but for some unknown reason my computer decided it wanted to shut down :( Here is what is going on as of 11 am this morning.

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is this her making her sac finally

Talkenlate04

11-12-2008, 05:43 PM

Yes the regalis is making her sac. I am at work, but I have the computer shooting time lapse. So as long as the computer stays on I should have a cool video to post of her wrapping things up.
The striata on the left should be starting her sac very soon as well. Today I hope.

Red Eyes

11-12-2008, 06:14 PM

They both look huge! Any ideas on their sizes? Thanks for sharing the videos, very interesting.

Talkenlate04

11-12-2008, 06:25 PM

They both look huge! Any ideas on their sizes? Thanks for sharing the videos, very interesting.
Well of course I know their size. I raised and bred them. :)
They both are just about 6.5".
The barometric pressure is at 29.98 so that is good news! Perfect egg sac weather. I hope the striata catches up and drops today too!

Talkenlate04

11-12-2008, 09:47 PM

And its done! This is an awesome wrap up video in my opinion.

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dna_Splice

11-12-2008, 10:13 PM

endless amazement =]

maxi_kdu

11-13-2008, 01:07 AM

They are like in the lungs...lol

Talkenlate04

11-13-2008, 02:09 AM

They are like in the lungs...lol

What on earth are you talking about?

c'est ma

11-13-2008, 02:55 AM

Man the regalis really got busy last night! I had my computer on time lapsing overnight, but for some unknown reason my computer decided it wanted to shut down :( Here is what is going on as of 11 am this morning. . . .

Any chance you got one of those wonderful, middle-of-the-night "Automatic Updates (must reboot)" surprises? I've lost stuff before to them. :mad:

But nevertheless, this is such an awesome series of vids!!!!!!

Well of course I know their size. I raised and bred them. :)
They both are just about 6.5".
The barometric pressure is at 29.98 so that is good news! Perfect egg sac weather. I hope the striata catches up and drops today too!

Are you being serious? If so, can you point me to any info that relates bp with certain spp of T's & reproduction? I have no idea about your spp native habitats but I did used to live near Beaverton, and can't imagine anything there in November resembling any natural T habitat! :D Maybe precipitation...;)

As you can tell I know next to nothing about T reproduction...but I do know that dart frog keepers firmly believe their animals respond to bp and other climatic cues...

And its done! This is an awesome wrap up video in my opinion.

:eek: :worship: :eek: :worship: :eek: :worship:

Wow, that is just incredible! This whole series seems like something that some university researcher would love to have. I really love the part around 1:40 or so (too busy looking at the spiders to notice the time) when she starts tearing down the top "mooring" webbing and begins to compress & move the sac...

Now for a really stupid, stupid question :o :o --do T's build a sac first and then "insert" their eggs? Or somehow lay the eggs & then envelop them? Or do both simultaneously? It never occurred to me to wonder before...

What a wonderful sequence! Thanks so much for posting these!

--Diane

c'est ma

11-13-2008, 02:57 AM

What on earth are you talking about?

I think he noticed that the two spider hollows are vaguely lung-shaped--esp when side-by-side like that. :)

__Diane

maxi_kdu

11-13-2008, 05:31 AM

What on earth are you talking about?

I mean how the shape of their nest looked in the vids.lol

maxi_kdu

11-13-2008, 05:39 AM

I think he noticed that the two spider hollows are vaguely lung-shaped--esp when side-by-side like that. :)

__Diane

Yea, that's what i meant...sorry for my poor expression:wall:

DrAce

11-13-2008, 08:56 AM

...
Are you being serious? If so, can you point me to any info that relates bp with certain spp of T's & reproduction? I have no idea about your spp native habitats but I did used to live near Beaverton, and can't imagine anything there in November resembling any natural T habitat! :D Maybe precipitation...;)

As you can tell I know next to nothing about T reproduction...but I do know that dart frog keepers firmly believe their animals respond to bp and other climatic cues...

:eek: :worship: :eek: :worship: :eek: :worship:

Wow, that is just incredible! This whole series seems like something that some university researcher would love to have. I really love the part around 1:40 or so (too busy looking at the spiders to notice the time) when she starts tearing down the top "mooring" webbing and begins to compress & move the sac...

Now for a really stupid, stupid question :o :o --do T's build a sac first and then "insert" their eggs? Or somehow lay the eggs & then envelop them? Or do both simultaneously? It never occurred to me to wonder before...

What a wonderful sequence! Thanks so much for posting these!

--Diane

There is evidence that some events are timed by barometric pressure. Moults, for one. I don't remember that laying eggs was linked, but IF barometric pressure is a determinant, then there's no reason why egg laying won't be either.

Tarantulas lay the mat, then lay eggs into it, then wrap them up.

I still wanna know if they internally or externally fertilize the eggs...

Talkenlate04

11-13-2008, 09:15 AM

I still wanna know if they internally or externally fertilize the eggs...
Several times now I have seen the start of the egg laying process and there is clear fluid that comes out first well before any of the eggs, and I swear I have seen the sperm packed fall out with that fluid yet a few minutes later I can no longer spot the packet in the fluid. It's almost like it dissolved inside the fluid that came out ahead of the eggs but I am not sure yet.

There is evidence that some events are timed by barometric pressure. Moults, for one. I don't remember that laying eggs was linked, but IF barometric pressure is a determinant, then there's no reason why egg laying won't be either.

I have been keeping track of the pressure when my Ts have started egg sacs, and every one of the 28 this year have been laid when the pressure was 29.00-30.00. Now that could be a giant coincidence of no value at all, but I think the pressure plays some sort of roll.

DrAce

11-13-2008, 03:25 PM

Several times now I have seen the start of the egg laying process and there is clear fluid that comes out first well before any of the eggs, and I swear I have seen the sperm packed fall out with that fluid yet a few minutes later I can no longer spot the packet in the fluid. It's almost like it dissolved inside the fluid that came out ahead of the eggs but I am not sure yet.
...

Which is kinda what I recall saying a long time ago when we first talked about this (I think it was when you found that waxy sperm packet, I think). I suspect the only way to really tell would be unethically to disturb her during egg laying... or to collect a couple of those eggs BEFORE they hit the puddle in the webbing.

...
I have been keeping track of the pressure when my Ts have started egg sacs, and every one of the 28 this year have been laid when the pressure was 29.00-30.00. Now that could be a giant coincidence of no value at all, but I think the pressure plays some sort of roll.

Do you keep a daily recording of pressure and mark off when the egg laying happens?
By that, I mean do you have a nice line graph of the daily pressure, with a mark on for the dates when eggs were layed...
If so, I'd murder a chance to look at the data.

Talkenlate04

11-13-2008, 05:04 PM

DrAce

11-13-2008, 07:11 PM

Sadly I don't have anything that awesome. I just noted the pressure at the start of the process and the middle and the end. It always was between those two ranges. I can start documenting it in a more formal way. I guess I should think about that when I make these casual observations. :(

Actually, I wouldn't mind having a look at it anyway, if you are keen. There may well be something significant in the data which warrants further analysis...

c'est ma

11-14-2008, 02:08 AM

There is evidence that some events are timed by barometric pressure. Moults, for one. I don't remember that laying eggs was linked, but IF barometric pressure is a determinant, then there's no reason why egg laying won't be either.

Tarantulas lay the mat, then lay eggs into it, then wrap them up.

I still wanna know if they internally or externally fertilize the eggs...

Thanks for this reply--and all the subsequent observations as well. As an erstwhile biologist, these are the sorts of things that really fascinate me. :)

Regarding barometric pressure, would this be highly variable w/in a given region, or do either you or DrAce think that we might be able to compare our spider behavior records with weather data collected, say, by the local official weather station?

--Diane

DrAce

11-14-2008, 06:58 AM

Thanks for this reply--and all the subsequent observations as well. As an erstwhile biologist, these are the sorts of things that really fascinate me. :)

Regarding barometric pressure, would this be highly variable w/in a given region, or do either you or DrAce think that we might be able to compare our spider behavior records with weather data collected, say, by the local official weather station?

--Diane

Maybe - it seems that Talkenlate has a barometer in the tarantula room - which will enable these sorts of measurements directly.

Talkenlate04

11-14-2008, 10:19 AM

Maybe - it seems that Talkenlate has a barometer in the tarantula room - which will enable these sorts of measurements directly.

Actually I have been going off the local weather station that is setup about 1.5 miles from my place. Inaccurate to a degree I know. But I am thinking about getting my own meter so I can take more accurate readings. How much would one of those cost?
The striata started her egg sac last night, and the reading was 29.55.

Singbluemymind

11-14-2008, 12:47 PM

awesome vids dude

Talkenlate04

11-14-2008, 10:49 PM

Well the striata made her sac starting early this morning, but it does not look put together all that well. It is sealed up and nothing is leaking, the eggs look nice and yellow, but I would be shocked if this sac was fertile.

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DrAce

11-14-2008, 11:12 PM

Her wrapping technique is quite different, isn't it!

Protectyaaaneck

11-16-2008, 03:24 PM

the last video you posted ryan is awesome, that is such a cool site to have them side by side making their eggsacs. congrats again.

ReMoVeR

11-16-2008, 06:15 PM

what is ur setup on these footage? Program, cameras, connections... could u gimme a tip ? I have my T "right on the side" of the computer and i would LOVE to have these type of records ;O

Those are the MOST amazing vids i've ever seen. I do L O V E those vids right there =)

Tkz in advance

//Tiago

Talkenlate04

11-16-2008, 06:31 PM

Its just a webcam set to motion detection. When they move it will record till they stop moving. This way I capture only the movement for a long period of time. Then once I decide I am done recording I combine all of the videos in windows movie maker and apply the 2x speed several times so I shorten several hours of footage into a few minutes. :)

ReMoVeR

11-16-2008, 06:36 PM

ReMoVeR

11-16-2008, 06:37 PM

oh and... sorry: u have it with a light there ? wont it bother ur T ?

/Tiago

Talkenlate04

11-16-2008, 06:40 PM

Yes there is a light on, and no it does not bother them.
Both my old and new webcams were able to do ether time lapse or motion detection video, or both.

ReMoVeR

11-16-2008, 07:00 PM

Yes there is a light on, and no it does not bother them.
Both my old and new webcams were able to do ether time lapse or motion detection video, or both.

what is the meaning of time lapse ?:X O_o uh :|

and how did u measure the bp in ur room ? u have a baromether in there ?

Talkenlate04

11-16-2008, 07:04 PM

Time lapse means I set the webcam to take a picture once every_____seconds, minutes, hours. Then when you stop taking pictures it combines all of the still shots into a video. But that is more like a fast slide show not like the sped up videos I did on this thread.

I have a local weather station 1.5 miles from my house. I logged into their site and check the pressure. But I think I am going to get a meter for my room soon.

ReMoVeR

11-16-2008, 07:29 PM

got it. just got the program i'm gonna be testing my webcam tonight. its pretty horrible:X i think this webcam has like almost 10years LOL O_o
One thing i got was.... 1030.5 mb updated half hour ago.. humn.... how is it? O_o u were talkin about 29 30 O_o

Talkenlate04

11-16-2008, 07:38 PM

I don't understand what you are trying to ask. :?

Protectyaaaneck

11-16-2008, 08:06 PM

I don't understand what you are trying to ask. :?

I'm with you.

c'est ma

11-16-2008, 10:35 PM

Perhaps his weather station measures bp with a different unit (decimal location)???

Talkenlate, I wanted to ask you if you do something special to ensure the spiders' burrows are right up next to the glass like that for pictures...

And another dumb question--if these are arboreals, why do they seem to have taken up residence at the bottom of your habitats? (Obviously I know nothing about pokies...)

--Diane

Talkenlate04

11-16-2008, 11:18 PM

I just make sure the hide is in the corner. Even though they are arboreal they like to be sealed off and secluded for their egg sac production. So the hide setup I chose to use is narrow at the top and wide at the bottom. They tend to move in, clear out a bunch of substrate, web the top of the hide shut, then settle in to make their sacs much like they might inside a hollow tree branch only in this setup it is on the ground. The setup was not made because I get to see, it is just a bonus. :)

c'est ma

11-16-2008, 11:24 PM

Ah, I see. Well, how fortuitous! :)

So do you hollow out wood or something to be sure you get the right tapering to the intended sac site? And would non breeding individuals of either sex of these species take up residence in such areas as well? (Because it's always preferable to have the best viewing & pic-taking presentations possible!

--Diane

Talkenlate04

11-16-2008, 11:30 PM

It does not matter if they are male or female bred or not they all like this type setup and it is nice because you get to see them a lot and check in on them with little disturbance.

cityzooguy

11-17-2008, 12:28 AM

looks like she got caught up in her own silk.
that looked quite frustrating.
i couldnt imagine what that would be like to do, working in such a tight space, without real useable didgits at the end of your appendages.

great footage talkenlate, you ever consider writing a manual on breeding T's?

I read one of your old posts about B. smithi breeding. i dont think that it would be too hard for you to through a few of those descriptions together and make something of it. just an idea, but it seems like you've had alot of experience, cant hurt to share some of it.

Talkenlate04

11-17-2008, 12:43 AM

but it seems like you've had alot of experience, cant hurt to share some of it.
I share it all on here all the time. Anyone can pm me about anything, and if I know anything about it I will try and answer the best that I can. If I don't know I will just tell you I don't know. :)

As for writing something, maybe someday. But this site is a great way for me to share things I do and see so for now this is where I will put any info I gather.