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winwin
05-08-2010, 05:13 AM
Guys, what's a good T to have? I know these guys are kinda defensive but I like the way they look. Which one would look best and explain a bit on them please? Also, which one is more likely to be seen?
1. P. Irminia
2. P. Cambridgei
3. P. Murnius
4. E. Murinus
5. H. Lividum
6. C. Crawshayi

Thanks a lot guys! :D

Ariel
05-08-2010, 05:37 AM
Well what other species have you already owned? OWs such as the C. crawshayi, H. lividum, and P. murinus are a little more advanced then some of the other species. It also depends on what you prefer, do you like arboreals? or terrestrials?

You said you wanted it to be visible so that pretty much rules out E. murinus and H. lividum who are both fossorial and you might not see them a lot, same for C. crawshayi. Most people say P. murinus isn't very visable either though my girl is an exception to the rule i guess because i see her fairly often.

So P. irminia or P. cambridgei would be your best bet. Get both if you can, but I would whole heartedly suggest P. cambridgei. Out of all my Ts my sub-adult female is my favorite in my collection, and I also prefer the subtle beauty over the stark contrast of P. irminia. Both of these species are also a good intermediate species with some of the attitude of an OW but don't quite pack the same whallop.

James Quinton
05-08-2010, 05:37 AM
it all depends on how much experiance you have?

winwin
05-08-2010, 05:53 AM
Well what other species have you already owned? OWs such as the C. crawshayi, H. lividum, and P. murinus are a little more advanced then some of the other species. It also depends on what you prefer, do you like arboreals? or terrestrials?

You said you wanted it to be visible so that pretty much rules out E. murinus and H. lividum who are both fossorial and you might not see them a lot, same for C. crawshayi. Most people say P. murinus isn't very visable either though my girl is an exception to the rule i guess because i see her fairly often.

So P. irminia or P. cambridgei would be your best bet. Get both if you can, but I would whole heartedly suggest P. cambridgei. Out of all my Ts my sub-adult female is my favorite in my collection, and I also prefer the subtle beauty over the stark contrast of P. irminia. Both of these species are also a good intermediate species with some of the attitude of an OW but don't quite pack the same whallop.


it all depends on how much experiance you have?

I have a B. smithi Juvie, an orph sp., a.genic sling, heteremetrus sp scorpion(adult and sling) and a Liocheles Australasiae. But experience aside, which would be a good choice for my next T? If you could only choose 1.

brian abrams
05-08-2010, 05:17 PM
Either Cambridgei or Irminia. Both are NW, lightning-fast arboreals.

asn1234
05-08-2010, 05:41 PM
i'd go this the p.murinus.they are a really cool T.they web like crazy,and sometimes will web against the side so you can see them.they are very aggressive though,and have a pretty mean bite.they are also pretty fast,but i am 14,and i can deal with them,so i am sure you can.just gotta be very careful when doing maintanance and feeding.i NEVER put my hand in the cage.i use tongs instead.

Mack&Cass
05-08-2010, 06:19 PM
My opinions are based solely on personal experience with these species.

P. irminia - We don't see ours very often, she comes out at night and prowls around, but the most we'll see during the day are the tips of her toes. Our sling is pretty much knocking on death's door so it doesn't count in my opinion.

P. cambridgei - Our lady is out all of the time, out of all the Ts on this list, she's out the most. We've only had to rehouse her once, and she was calm about the whole thing, so I'm assuming she's fast, but who knows.

P. murinus - We never saw our male when we had him. One time we were feeding him and spooked him and he ran up and out of his enclosure faster than I could blink and he just stayed there for 30 seconds, turned around and walked right back in. He was pretty awesome. We have a sling that we never see either. They're cool because of how adaptable they are. You can house them arboreally or terrestrially and they will make a cool webbed up area no matter what.

E. murinus - Our girl (~2.5") is one of my favourites. We don't really see her that much, she's built a pretty extensive burrow, but we always see her during feeding time because we just hold the prey item right by her burrow hole and she comes shooting out. Then she'll stay at the opening for a while. It's convenient for snapping pictures.

H. lividum - I think we have a MF. We may actually just have a container that's all webbed up and full of dirt, but I think there may actually be a tarantula in there. I can't say with all certainty though, haha. She used to actually come out quite often, but she molted a while ago and has been crazy reclusive.

C. crawshayi - Same thing with our H. lividum. Before she molted she actually made one of her tunnels right against the side of her enclosure, and that way we could actually see her. She molted though, too, and then renovated, so I haven't seen her in a while. All I know is that the food disappears.

If it's something you want to see often, then I'd suggest going with the P. cambridgei. They're underrated in the looks department since they have to compete with P. irminia, but they're so gorgeous in person. Pictures don't do them justice and they're active and eat like crazy.

Good luck with whatever you pick!

Cass

jbm150
05-08-2010, 06:32 PM
Of your list, I have experience with P. murinus and P. cambridgei. I don't know how normal my two are but they have to be some of the most active, visible, and entertaining spiders I could ever want.

My 4" female cambridgei out pretty much all the time. She's in premolt now so she's holding tight in her burrow but when she isn't, she's out waiting for food. And she never stops moving, always up to something. If a cricket makes a move anywhere in her home, she wants to know about it and correct the situation. Oh, and she's fast. Really really fast, when she wants to be. Faster than my regalis by a good step.

Same with my 2" OBT, I think male. Always out, always hungry. Very skittish though, flees into its burrow at the slightest disturbance but doesn't stay hidden long. Very fun spider.

Both are beautiful. P. irminia is also on my list of must haves and I'm afraid E. murinus is getting on it too. They're so cool looking. Both are supposed to be pretty shy though.

Lividum and crawshayii, the way I understand them, are to be appreciated in your last memory of them. Nice Ts but not going to be clamoring for them

winwin
05-08-2010, 09:01 PM
i'd go this the p.murinus.they are a really cool T.they web like crazy,and sometimes will web against the side so you can see them.they are very aggressive though,and have a pretty mean bite.they are also pretty fast,but i am 14,and i can deal with them,so i am sure you can.just gotta be very careful when doing maintanance and feeding.i NEVER put my hand in the cage.i use tongs instead.

I think I read your thread a while back inquiring if you should get an OBT. Is yours active and out a lot?

J.huff23
05-08-2010, 09:02 PM
P.irminia and C.crawshayi. Definitly.

winwin
05-08-2010, 09:05 PM
Either Cambridgei or Irminia. Both are NW, lightning-fast arboreals.

Can you explain why these two are your choices and NW so they also kick hairs right?

winwin
05-08-2010, 09:07 PM
My opinions are based solely on personal experience with these species.

P. irminia - We don't see ours very often, she comes out at night and prowls around, but the most we'll see during the day are the tips of her toes. Our sling is pretty much knocking on death's door so it doesn't count in my opinion.

P. cambridgei - Our lady is out all of the time, out of all the Ts on this list, she's out the most. We've only had to rehouse her once, and she was calm about the whole thing, so I'm assuming she's fast, but who knows.

P. murinus - We never saw our male when we had him. One time we were feeding him and spooked him and he ran up and out of his enclosure faster than I could blink and he just stayed there for 30 seconds, turned around and walked right back in. He was pretty awesome. We have a sling that we never see either. They're cool because of how adaptable they are. You can house them arboreally or terrestrially and they will make a cool webbed up area no matter what.

E. murinus - Our girl (~2.5") is one of my favourites. We don't really see her that much, she's built a pretty extensive burrow, but we always see her during feeding time because we just hold the prey item right by her burrow hole and she comes shooting out. Then she'll stay at the opening for a while. It's convenient for snapping pictures.

H. lividum - I think we have a MF. We may actually just have a container that's all webbed up and full of dirt, but I think there may actually be a tarantula in there. I can't say with all certainty though, haha. She used to actually come out quite often, but she molted a while ago and has been crazy reclusive.

C. crawshayi - Same thing with our H. lividum. Before she molted she actually made one of her tunnels right against the side of her enclosure, and that way we could actually see her. She molted though, too, and then renovated, so I haven't seen her in a while. All I know is that the food disappears.

If it's something you want to see often, then I'd suggest going with the P. cambridgei. They're underrated in the looks department since they have to compete with P. irminia, but they're so gorgeous in person. Pictures don't do them justice and they're active and eat like crazy.

Good luck with whatever you pick!

Cass

Thanks! That's very informative. I guess it really does vary in every individual T how they are. But I think among the list, the P. Murinus would be the easiest to house right? Since if you give it only little substrate it will web, a lot and it will burrow, if you make an arboreal setup it can also adapt.

winwin
05-08-2010, 09:08 PM
P.irminia and C.crawshayi. Definitly.

Can you elaborate a little more? :D

Mack&Cass
05-08-2010, 09:15 PM
Can you explain why these two are your choices and NW so they also kick hairs right?

Psalmopoeus are actually one of the NW genera that don't possess urticating hairs.


Thanks! That's very informative. I guess it really does vary in every individual T how they are. But I think among the list, the P. Murinus would be the easiest to house right? Since if you give it only little substrate it will web, a lot and it will burrow, if you make an arboreal setup it can also adapt.

The P. murinus would be the easiest to house, but not the easiest to rehouse. They rely heavily on their webbing, so during a rehousing it's difficult because they won't want to abandon it. That's just what I've found in my experiences with OBTs. They're very cool Ts. We had our male set up arboreally, and we have our current sling set up terrestrially so it's interesting to see what they'll do given the environment you put them in.

Cass

winwin
05-08-2010, 09:25 PM
Psalmopoeus are actually one of the NW genera that don't possess urticating hairs.



The P. murinus would be the easiest to house, but not the easiest to rehouse. They rely heavily on their webbing, so during a rehousing it's difficult because they won't want to abandon it. That's just what I've found in my experiences with OBTs. They're very cool Ts. We had our male set up arboreally, and we have our current sling set up terrestrially so it's interesting to see what they'll do given the environment you put them in.

Cass
Ohhh... So what makes them NW if they don't have urticating hairs? I thought that's what sets NW and OW apart?

Nice experiment on the OBT. I constantly travel so I can't house them in a container with really deep substrate because that would make it hard to travel with. :}

Mack&Cass
05-08-2010, 09:33 PM
NW T's are from the "new world", for example: Brazil, Mexico, the States, etc...

OW T's are from the "old world", for example: Africa, Asia, Australia, etc...

Psalmopoeus irminia is from Venezuela, and P. cambridgei is from Trinidad (both Venezuela and Trinidad are in the 'new world') There are several genera of NW Ts without urticating hairs, such as Psalmopoeus and Tapinauchenius. The NW members of the subfamily Ischnocolinae (Holothele, Catumiri, Hemiercus, Oligoxystre, etc) also do not possess urticating hairs.

Cass

winwin
05-08-2010, 09:49 PM
NW T's are from the "new world", for example: Brazil, Mexico, the States, etc...

OW T's are from the "old world", for example: Africa, Asia, Australia, etc...

Psalmopoeus irminia is from Venezuela, and P. cambridgei is from Trinidad (both Venezuela and Trinidad are in the 'new world') There are several genera of NW Ts without urticating hairs, such as Psalmopoeus and Tapinauchenius. The NW members of the subfamily Ischnocolinae (Holothele, Catumiri, Hemiercus, Oligoxystre, etc) also do not possess urticating hairs.

Cass

Ohhhhh.... Thanks for the info! :D

winwin
05-09-2010, 09:14 PM
I think now it's either P. Murinus and P. Irminia... Need help guys! :D

ZergFront
05-09-2010, 10:39 PM
P.irminia (yeah, I'm being totally biased :wicked: )

They have fascinating webbing habits, great eaters and very pretty. On the fast side but Tappy owners can tell you that they aren't the most speedy. As they mature, they start using bits of moss or other light decor to add on to their webbing for camouflage. Kind of like decorator crabs.

They do have their moments of hiding, though. I don't powerfeed, so sometimes my cambridgei or irminia will sit and wait at the entrance of the hide for even more food. {D

winwin
05-09-2010, 10:47 PM
P.irminia (yeah, I'm being totally biased :wicked: )

They have fascinating webbing habits, great eaters and very pretty. On the fast side but Tappy owners can tell you that they aren't the most speedy. As they mature, they start using bits of moss or other light decor to add on to their webbing for camouflage. Kind of like decorator crabs.

They do have their moments of hiding, though. I don't powerfeed, so sometimes my cambridgei or irminia will sit and wait at the entrance of the hide for even more food. {D

Hmmm... Nice. :D

thedude
05-09-2010, 11:09 PM
Another vote for P. murinus!
Love the webbing, love the attitude. They're extremely hardy, basically bullet proof with how you keep them. Mine never gave me to much of an attitude problem. Even while rehousing. And who does not love their webbing, i mean really :}

winwin
05-09-2010, 11:32 PM
Another vote for P. murinus!
Love the webbing, love the attitude. They're extremely hardy, basically bullet proof with how you keep them. Mine never gave me to much of an attitude problem. Even while rehousing. And who does not love their webbing, i mean really :}

Thanks for that! How often can you see it?

macj1983
05-09-2010, 11:35 PM
P. irminia i just got a 3-4inch female fun spider and looks so good yeah she really fast i feed with tongs. this isn't a t for holding if thats what your going for well i dont hold mine i should say well if that fails flip a coin :D

winwin
05-10-2010, 12:59 AM
P. irminia i just got a 3-4inch female fun spider and looks so good yeah she really fast i feed with tongs. this isn't a t for holding if thats what your going for well i dont hold mine i should say well if that fails flip a coin :D

Yeah, I've read that they really are very fast... Still deciding. I wonder which 1 will be available first.

thedude
05-10-2010, 06:25 AM
Thanks for that! How often can you see it?

When i had her, i saw her out every night except for when she was premoult. The slings i had were always out too. They're great display T's imo

winwin
05-10-2010, 09:00 AM
When i had her, i saw her out every night except for when she was premoult. The slings i had were always out too. They're great display T's imo

Hmm... Very tempting. :D

thedude
05-10-2010, 01:49 PM
Hmm... Very tempting. :D

Yup! while i had her she was in my top favorite 3

brian abrams
05-10-2010, 09:11 PM
Thanks to the people who explained that Psalmo's are NW's w/o urticating hair. As far as why they would be my choices, although they are fast and potentially aggressive (especially P Irminia), Their bites aren't as serious or painful as the other 3. The LAST choices would be the King Baboon (HUGE)and Cobalt, as these are burrowers that require high humidity (special requirements to keep them alive). Also, you are looking at potentially more frequent re-housing due to mold, rotting substrate, food, etc. Even routine re-housing due to growth would be more difficult-requireing digging or flooding them out of their burrows, when they are going to be super-pissed! The OBT would be a MUCH better 3rd choice. I must admit, they are nice also.

thedude
05-10-2010, 09:20 PM
OP - have you ever thought about pokies, or are even interested in them? Or how about another arboreal like H. maculata? definetly non-handleables but still amazing spiders in their own right.

winwin
05-10-2010, 10:09 PM
Yup! while i had her she was in my top favorite 3
What's your top 3?

OP - have you ever thought about pokies, or are even interested in them? Or how about another arboreal like H. maculata? definetly non-handleables but still amazing spiders in their own right.

Yeah, I like pokies too but I like the P. Metallica most. The problem is I can't afford it!;P and I also like the P. Regalis but I want a really white one not the brownish regalis. For H. Macs also, I might get a brown one and I've read you don't get to see pokies a lot.

thedude
05-10-2010, 10:32 PM
What's your top 3?


Yeah, I like pokies too but I like the P. Metallica most. The problem is I can't afford it!;P and I also like the P. Regalis but I want a really white one not the brownish regalis. For H. Macs also, I might get a brown one and I've read you don't get to see pokies a lot.

My top 3 are my regalis female, my vagans female and then my P. murinus.
Since the obt died i've gotten the H. maculata and it kind of replaced it.

I've got both kinds of the regalis kinda, my one is kind of brown and the other is alot more contrasting. But either way, they're cool.

I see alot less of my H. mac than i do my regalis. But i hear for some other people it's the other way around. But my mac is still a little small.. like 4ish inches? so she still has some room to grow. But i LOVE her webs! On the terrarium picture thread you can see how i have her tank set up. All the moss around the base of the log she has a tube web running through it wit hthe moss incorporated into it. And the H. mac look is to die for! The chalky white with the black or gray markings and the thick legs.. just awesome.

As for other pokies, I have 2 pederseni that i see out all the time and not just at night. And they kind of have the same thing going on with the moss.

winwin
05-19-2010, 04:36 AM
Hey guys! Thanks for everyone who posted here and voted in the poll. I finally decided to go with the P. Irminia because it became available first and the poll results! Here's a thread of it.

http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?p=1656353#post1656353