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Ryan Bridgman
02-17-2004, 05:07 AM
Well I jst returned from a business trip to Bangkok, Thailand where I checked out the pet section of the Chatuchak Market. There were quite a few places selling T's and other spiders but the prices were unbelievable. Here is a translation of the prices;

Adult Female H.Lividum - 25 baht = USD$0.75/UK£0.45
Adult Female Thai Black - 15 baht = USD $0.38/UK£0.22
Adult Female Malaysian Earth Tiger -50 baht = USD$1.10/UK£0.85
Adult Female 'Chinese' Black - 100 baht = USD$2.10/UK £1.30
Adult Female P.Murinus - 250 baht = USD$7/UK £3.90
Adult Female P.Regalis - 130 baht = USD $3.10/UK £2.00

And other T's were ridiculously cheap apart from the B.Smithi which was 15,000 baht which is about $400 or £220!!!!

TheDon
02-17-2004, 06:12 AM
OMG!! I wish the price were like that here... i would have bought all of those for that price

conway
02-17-2004, 06:14 AM
damn your so lucky,get some more stuff nxt time ;)..people might b interested..;)

Hallidaykill55
02-17-2004, 09:27 AM
How does one just on a simple business trip manage to bring back into the countryu foreign species of tarantula? Must you purchase some kind of special permit? Just curious.

Earth Tiger
02-17-2004, 10:15 AM
That's really insane!! You cant get a Chinese Black Earth Tiger (S. hainana) that cheap even from China! I will visit Thai to get some later!

Mister Internet
02-17-2004, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by Hallidaykill55
How does one just on a simple business trip manage to bring back into the countryu foreign species of tarantula? Must you purchase some kind of special permit? Just curious.

I don't understand it intirely, but there is, at minimum, an import licensing fee, an inspection fee at customs, and a day or two wait to clear the border. I think there's a vet check too, but that may just be for herps. Point being, it's not cost-effective until you can bring in dozens at a time... although at these prices, that might make sense. ;)

PapaSmurf
02-17-2004, 11:07 AM
its becus they arent sold as pet but as food isnt it:P my moms ex-boyfriend told me he read somewhere that they enjoy eating T's and other spiders in over there:? anyways thats what i herd lol.

Earth Tiger
02-17-2004, 11:17 AM
No, very very few Thai people eat tarantulas. Many do eat insects and scorps, but not tarantulas. Only those elderly people living in remote areas of Thailand still have the habit of eating tarantulas. They eat raw Thai Black's legs with beard, and squeeze the content of its abdomen to act as jam.

Aviculariinae
02-17-2004, 11:47 AM
I think there is a picture of rick west eaten one somewhere!Well if you cant beat them,join em.,

Ryan Bridgman
02-17-2004, 12:15 PM
Just to clear up I didn't buy any of the T's - I just was shocked at how cheap they were. Buying and then exporting them would be relatively complicated - you would have to clear the T's with both customs and with animal health services. This would bring up the prices considerably. But if you lived in Thailand, you would have yourself a real bargain!

Lopez
02-17-2004, 12:19 PM
I'm not condoning such an action, but there's always smuggling.....

Ryan Bridgman
02-17-2004, 12:29 PM
They had loads of other cheap inverts, like Madagascan Hissing cockroaches and these really scary looking centipedes (jeweled centipedes?). And Mantises are everywhere - you can just pick one up in a garden.

In fact one of the sellers had a tank with a baby tiger shark! There was also some dogy people selling aye ayes in brown paper bags - pretty sure that is illegal mind......

As for eating T's - the hill tribe people aroung Chiang Mai in the north eat the Thai Blacks. My wife is Thai and her father has eaten one - apparently it was kind of oily. I myself have tried the locusts once - kind of like dry roasted peanuts but soft in the middle. Other bugs eaten are these 'Mang Da' black beetles which are cruched up and mixed with chillies to make a condiment. The Lao and Issan people from North Eastern Thailand eat pretty much anything - one delicacy is 'Kai Mot Daeng' which is red ant eggs - yum yum ;)

Of course your average Thai rarely eats anything wierder than chicken, pork and prawns (even eating beef is relatively rare) but the Chinese restaurants sell wierd and wonderful seafood like Sea Abalone (a kind of sea slug) and jellyfish. Hmmm. Who's hungry? :)

Earth Tiger
02-17-2004, 12:44 PM
I think there is a picture of rick west eaten one somewhere!Well if you cant beat them,join em.,

I think he was eating a T. blondi or something like that ... if it was a T. apophysis ... well he had a luxury meal ...

BTW, did u PM me? I got the PM full notice only :D


I'm not condoning such an action, but there's always smuggling.....

Well, according to Code Monkey a smuggled T means it is illegally removed from the wild and taken away from the country. Most developing countries like Thai do really care what inverts are being taken out ...

Ryan Bridgman
02-17-2004, 12:53 PM
Yeah - you would be looking at a jail term if you illegally smuggled w/c animals out of Thailand. If it happened to be a CITES protected species you would be bashed very hard. Also, if you were caught at customs in the UK and the T's didn't have their documentation you would be prosecuted there even more.

Earth Tiger
02-17-2004, 01:25 PM
in fact most developing asian countries have a vague definition on "protected inverts". Taking china for example, their regulations on protected species can be translated by one customs officer to cover all living creatures, while by another officer to cover a few species of beetles only. Most customs officers of china are in between these two extremes and in general exotic animals like tarantulas and scorpions are not allowed to be taken away. Laws and regulations have little meaning if you are in china, since as long as the policeman wants, everything you do can be regarded as breaking the law ...

Mister Internet
02-17-2004, 01:34 PM
Originally posted by Lopez
I'm not condoning such an action, but there's always smuggling.....

If you're not condoning it, there's certainly no reason to bring it up.

Tescos
02-17-2004, 01:37 PM
think you may be hard pressed to smuggle a tarantula spec that is listed on CITES out of asia being as the only tarantula specs (that I know of) which are listed under CITES are Brachypelma and they come from the Americas!;P Unless of course you brought the brachy from an Asian pet shop.Even then with a declaration saying that it was captive bred and not wild caught (you can make these yourself belive it or not!) I think you would proberly get away with it. Anyone fancy proveing this can be done?

As for eating them I have seen video footage of people in I think was Thailand selling roasted tarantulas by the plate load, on the sides of roads so it looked to me that in at least some parts of Asia ,tarantulas are quite a popular delicacy. YumYum a welcome break lol:D

Lopez
02-17-2004, 01:38 PM
Plus most customs officials have more important things to worry about - for instance invert smuggling out of Brazil, Colombia and so on still goes on because frankly the drug trafficking and murder rate are far more deserving of government attention.
I'd imagine a similar situation is also true for Thailand, Burma, India et al.
Most big busts (Baumgarten) are almost guaranteed to be down to tip-offs.

I know a couple of people who have successfully posted inverts from Far-Eastern countries back to themselves in the UK too....

Of course this is likely to become dodgy ground for these forums quite soon, and probably shouldn't be discussed in depth. :)

Aviculariinae
02-18-2004, 04:29 AM
BTW, did u PM me? I got the PM full notice only

Yep check your email,ive replied to that topic we were talking about!:) :D ;)

manville
02-18-2004, 04:52 AM
those are really cheap tarantulas

Crotalus
02-18-2004, 08:41 PM
Originally posted by Steve Nunn
Hi Leon,
Yep. It's a sad state of affairs when the people who help to run some of the largest and longest running tarantula societies (the same societies who actively promote species preservation in the wild, protecting them from smugglers) are at the forefront of the spider smuggling trade.

What a funny world we live in.......don't buy off anyone who looks like this

:cool:
LOL
Steve

I doubt they have smuggled out to sell for profit as Baumgarten and others done. Thats a big difference. I have recieved arachnids from abroad, so should I be branded with a big "S" in my forehead? Come on...
The ones that should be called smugglers are the ones that make profit on huge amounts of spiders that are catched and smuggled out poorly packed to abroad.

/Lelle

Pattarawut
02-18-2004, 09:05 PM
Sorry Ryan Bridgman!!!
I want to say that you are misunderstand with T's price in Thailand (or you miscommunication with Thailand T's Dealer).
The real price are
Adult Female H.Lividum - 250 baht
Adult Female Thai Black - at least 200-300 baht
Adult Female Malaysian Earth Tiger -1500 baht
Adult Female 'Chinese' Black - at least 200-300 baht
Adult Female P.Murinus - 2500 baht
Adult Female P.Regalis - 1300 baht
B.Smithi (no consider with it size) - around 1000-3000 baht
(Sorry I don't convert U$D)

All those prices are the real price that I check frequently at Jatujuk market, Thailand. Both H. lividium and H. minax have very low price in THailand. Which shop did you been? Do you ask dealer by your self? or via translator?
I live in here so I think I must know exactly price of T's in here.
That's true.
Best Regards.
Pattarawut

manville
02-19-2004, 01:29 AM
the truth comes out

Ryan Bridgman
02-19-2004, 04:44 AM
No way did I make a mistake - unless the seller had an associated scam those were the prices. I have lived in Thailand before, own a property there and speak conversational Thai (good for a 'farang' anyway) and there is no mistake with the price. Maybe the seller quoted the other T's so cheap because the 1st one I asked about was the Smithi and he was charging a ridiculous amount for that? Just a thought but those were definitely the prices

manville
02-19-2004, 04:46 AM
hmmm who should i listen to now?

Ryan Bridgman
02-19-2004, 04:48 AM
To be honest unless you live in Thailand it won't affect you anyway as the shipping/customs fee will negate the cheap retail prices.

manville
02-19-2004, 05:03 AM
yeah true

Tescos
02-19-2004, 02:20 PM
Originally posted by Martin H.
Hi,

+ Aphonopelma albiceps and Aphonopelma pallidum – according to www.wisia.de and www.cites.org.

They also list "Brachypelmides klaasi" but according to Platnicks's WSC this is just a synonym of Brachypelma klaasi.

all the best,
Martin

I didn´t know that about the Aphonopelma specs Martin .Cheers for the info.Can you tell be when they were added to CITES?

Chris

metallica
02-19-2004, 04:35 PM
www.cites.org:

Taxonomy of the genus Brachypelma
1. Notification to the Parties No. 1998/29 of 30 June 1998 provided the Parties with details of the taxonomy of the genus Brachypelma and the species that were covered by the Convention following the inclusion of this taxon in Appendix II.
2. At its 11th meeting, the Conference of the Parties adopted document Doc. 11.11.4.2, requesting the Secretariat to re-issue the Notification referred to above, with some additional information.
3. The following 17 taxa are considered to be covered by the inclusion of Brachypelma spp. in Appendix II.
Aphonopelma albiceps (Pocock, 1903)
Aphonopelma pallidum (Pickard-Cambridge, 1897)
Brachypelma albopilosum Valerio, 1980
Brachypelma angustum Valerio, 1980
Brachypelma auratum Schmidt, 1992
Brachypelma aureoceps (Chamberlin, 1917)
Brachypelma baumgarteni Smith, 1993
Brachypelma boehmei Schmidt & Klaas, 1994
Brachypelma embrithes (Chamberlin & Ivie, 1936)
Brachypelma emilia (White, 1856)
Brachypelma epicureanum (Chamberlin, 1925)
Brachypelma fossorium Valerio, 1980
Brachypelma mesomelas (Pickard-Cambridge, 1892)
Brachypelma sabulosum (Pickard-Cambridge, 1897)
Brachypelma smithi (Pickard-Cambridge, 1897) (includes the synonyms Brachypelma annitha and Brachypelma harmorii)
Brachypelma vagans (Ausserer, 1875)
Brachypelmides klaasi Schmidt & Krause, 1994
4. Brachypelma andrewi is a synonym of Euathlus truncatus, a species not subject to the provisions of the Convention.

Pattarawut
02-20-2004, 01:43 AM
I really want to see those shop that you recommend.
In the same way, to be honesty, I found that in north and Northest of Thailand I can find H. minax and H. lividium have price around 20-50 baht as you said. But in the case of other tarantulas that came from america I can not see cheap price avalaible now. I don't kidding but I want to know those shop in Jatujuk market for buy tarantulas. Please help.
Thank You.

Ryan Bridgman
02-20-2004, 03:29 AM
I don't think the shop had a name - you know Chatuchak everything is just randomly assembled together! I do know that it was definitely a shop with fans etc (not the usual stalls) and it was in the 2nd section of Chatuchak (you know you come in the entrance and walk a bit and then you come to a 'road' where delivery vehicles can drive and after that there are more shops?). Well it is in that 2nd section (there were a few invert shops there and the stall next door was selling hissing cockroaches).

By the way none of the American species were cheap - the B.Smithi was outrageously expensive but the Thai, Asian and African Species were very cheap