Genus Cyriopagopus [Archive]

stemloop

05-17-2004, 10:38 PM

The species sold as thorelli is schioedtei. The real thorelli are not in the hobby as far as I know. So your specimen is a Cyriopagopus schioedtei. Also looks like a female.

Robert

Thanks for the info Robert. I sort of suspected that, as the dealer pricelist several months after I bought this advertised Cyriopagopus thorelli/schioedtei, rather than simply C. thorelli, as it did when I purchased.

Why do you say female? My limited experience with this species (almost nil) leaves me with identifying the pertinent organs on shed exuvia as the most dependable method. I have found no evidence of spermathecae, and the spider is now pushing 6 inches. However, the molt was always a bit dry and crumbly by the time I looked, so I could have easily missed something. Also, I've never bothered to look for pics of the tissues for this species, either.

By all means, convince me it's a girl! That would be great! :D

Todd

LaRiz

05-18-2004, 12:44 AM

Why do you say female? Todd

Stemloop, this may help. Check this past thread: >>Click me<< (http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?t=23287)

http://www.arachnopics.com/data/500/81newurth.jpg

stemloop

05-18-2004, 01:55 AM

Thanks for that John! You're starting to convince me.
And I've been trying to get rid of him! Her. Whatever...

I got the spider in April of 2002. Here's a picture about 10 weeks later, right after a molt:

stemloop

05-18-2004, 01:57 AM

Try again...

stemloop

05-18-2004, 02:01 AM

And another, April 2003, post molt.

stewartb

05-18-2004, 07:04 AM

Cyriopagopus sp., frozen female

Martin, does it feed much??

The ones I house in my feezer refuse to eat :( . In fact, they don,t do much :confused:

Does anyone else house their spiders in the feezer?

Regards,

Stew.

BTW Martin as you seem quite knowledgeable, I am thinking of getting a "giant blue equadorian sacarlet and pink quickflash birdeating tarantula". Do you any info on how to care for it???

Lostkat

05-18-2004, 04:05 PM

Naaah, it can't be that.... the one he's on about is a REAL LIVE BIRDEATER ;) :D

Swifty

05-28-2004, 07:37 AM

Thanks for the info Robert. I sort of suspected that, as the dealer pricelist several months after I bought this advertised Cyriopagopus thorelli/schioedtei, rather than simply C. thorelli, as it did when I purchased.

Todd

Just to let you know that there was no deception here about the name change, prior to the discovery of the true species name, everybody (all U.S. and European dealers) had these labelled as C. thorelli.
The reason I labeled them as C. thorelli/schioedtei, was because I did not want to deceive my customers, having them think that C. schioedtei was a new species to the hobby (like many other dealers did, claiming their first time in the U.S.), and I refused to play on the hype machine of a new species. Imagine being unaware that you had the same species next to each other, but because you had them labeled as C. thorelli on your female, and C. schioedtei on your male, naturally you would never get this project together. I know this is just a "what if", but it can happen easily. Labeling them as I did made my customers aware that they were the same species as C. thorelli sold in the past.

phormingochilus

07-14-2004, 05:17 AM

A little rare gem ;-)

Undescribed Cyriopagopus sp. we found in Borneo 2000 - enjoy ;)

Søren

RichardDegville

07-14-2004, 05:34 AM

Cyriopagopus sp Malaysia 'Lampropelma' type

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/brumtarantulas/cylamp2.jpg

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/brumtarantulas/cylamp1.jpg

xBurntBytheSunx

07-14-2004, 12:37 PM

i don't think i've ever seen you guys talk about these before...are they rare?

metallica

07-14-2004, 04:21 PM

finally i can enjoy this thread again! after killing a Cyriopagopus sp "singapore" (the blue one) i got a nice little parcel today containing......... 3 new little blue gritters!! no i will not post any pics, that is how i got the first dead....... sorry

tarcan

07-14-2004, 04:31 PM

Here is one...

xBurntBytheSunx

07-14-2004, 11:18 PM

so what are some common names for these.....are they rare????? i'm not sure if i've ever seen any of these for sale anywhere

Aviculariinae

07-15-2004, 04:37 AM

so what are some common names for these.....are they rare????? i'm not sure if i've ever seen any of these for sale anywhere

There is no common name as far as i know and yes they are very Rare at the moment.

pelo

07-15-2004, 06:13 AM

Here is one...

>>and a couple of mine from tarcan

http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/attachment.php?attachmentid=23398&stc=1
http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/attachment.php?attachmentid=23399&stc=1

Aviculariinae

07-15-2004, 06:17 AM

>>and a couple of mine from tarcan

http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/attachment.php?attachmentid=23398&stc=1
http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/attachment.php?attachmentid=23399&stc=1
What way are you keeping them Pelo! Cos they are Arboreal!

pelo

07-15-2004, 06:24 AM

What way are you keeping them Pelo! Cos they are Arboreal!

>>they've been rehoused since the pictures were taken.I've set up to give them both the opportunity to burrow and climb.As of now they are burrowed and have the base of the corkbark all webbed up.They do come out and climb quite often which is great for viewing purposes.They're presently 50/50 burrower/aboreal.

Citharischius

07-15-2004, 06:40 AM

DAMN , that are some pretty girls !! (and boys)
The blue one I love most :rolleyes:

Michael.NEGRINI

07-15-2004, 07:31 AM

I send some of mines... :)

First, a mystery for me, a species I bought as Cyriopagopus sp. blau from malaysia, about one year ago. I'm pretty sure this not the species from Singapour, I think it could be a color morph of C. schioedtei, they are more bluish than the classic morph at the same stage, but I can't tell what they'll look like as adults. I have 3 females and one male of these.

http://www.cichlidaefr.net/C_sp_blau2.jpg
http://www.cichlidaefr.net/C_sp_blau1.jpg

In comparison, Cyriopagopus schioedtei at the same size :
http://www.cichlidaefr.net/C_schioedtei1.jpg

And an older one :
http://www.cichlidaefr.net/C_schioedtei2.jpg
http://www.cichlidaefr.net/C_schioedtei3.jpg

And to end the story, the species showed by Martin H. in the first post, a near adult female of Cyriopagopus (Lampropelma?) sp. with blue femurs from Malaysia. Any taxonomical news about them ? ;)
http://www.cichlidaefr.net/Lampropelma3.jpg
http://www.cichlidaefr.net/Lampropelma2.jpg
http://www.cichlidaefr.net/Lampropelma1.jpg
she's going to molt soon...I hope to find a male for her.

Best regards, Michael

phormingochilus

07-15-2004, 07:49 AM

Your "mystery species" appear to be one of the darker colour varieties of C. schioedtei. Compare with adult female picture attached.

Regarding your "Lampropelma" I have three subadult males, so I am sure we can arrange something in the future if we keep in touch ;) Nothing new about this one so far ;)

Very Best Regards
Søren

I send some of mines... :)

First, a mystery for me, a species I bought as Cyriopagopus sp. blau from malaysia, about one year ago. I'm pretty sure this not the species from Singapour, I think it could be a color morph of C. schioedtei, they are more bluish than the classic morph at the same stage, but I can't tell what they'll look like as adults. I have 3 females and one male of these.

And to end the story, the species showed by Martin H. in the first post, a near adult female of Cyriopagopus (Lampropelma?) sp. with blue femurs from Malaysia. Any taxonomical news about them ? ;)

Best regards, Michael

RichardDegville

07-15-2004, 08:20 AM

As far as I can make out in this bloody mess is the 'Lampropelma' type is the one that Martin so kindly posted photographs of the 'blue' type from Singapore just being a nov.sp Cyriopagopus sp

Martin I have sent photographs to Alvin regarding what sp I wanted to buy both blue and Lampropelma types the photographs are posted as to what I received (spiderlings) I have been conversing with h.-w.auer and Rick C West about the spp now h.-w.auer sent me a photograph of a very simulair or the same as the sp you posted this was what I asked Alvin for along with the blue h.-w.auer has been talking to Volker about this Volker seems to think the Cyriopagopus "blue" seems to be very similar as C. schioedtei, cause
the males of both species have the same colour but Volker didn't´t have much time at the moment to identify this species.

now Rick C west regarding the 'Lampropelma' type has said it has been around awhile. Jeremy Huff and I discovered this
species 6 years ago on a mountain range in Malaysia I can say it is a Cyriopagopus sp. and I'm positive it's what Abraham
wrongly placed in the genus Lampropelma and described in 1924 as
'violaceopes' ... the problem in checking this out is that the 'type'
is in the BMNH and Smith is working on it.

So its all getting very messy indeed lets hope smith can shed some light on the subject? as he has 'type' specimens to work from?

RichardDegville

07-15-2004, 08:50 AM

lol I can believe that Martin, I myself have never seen a male of the 'Lampropelma' type I have seen the exuvia photograph of a male 'blue' via Volker I think its posted on this forum some were?) and it is dimorphic but like you are so right in saying colours not an issue do you know if the 'Lampropelma' type male is dimorphic? or have a photograph that I could have a look at please?

phormingochilus

07-15-2004, 08:57 AM

I can help you with that ;-)

Male and female "Lampropelma violaceopes", photo courtesy Vladimir Sejna (and yes I have permission to post the pictures ;-):

The male of Cyriopagopus sp. "Blue" are similar to the male of C. schioedtei

Very Best Regards
Søren

lol I can believe that Martin, I myself have never seen a male of the 'Lampropelma' type I have seen the exuvia photograph of a male 'blue' via Volker I think its posted on this forum some were?) and it is dimorphic but like you are so right in saying colours not an issue do you know if the 'Lampropelma' type male is dimorphic? or have a photograph that I could have a look at please?

RichardDegville

07-15-2004, 08:59 AM

thanks for that Soren but WTF that looks like the possible 'Lampropelma nigerrimum' ????

RichardDegville

07-15-2004, 09:22 AM

Thanks for that Martin {D what do you think about Vladimir Sejna's violaceopes photos? are they just 2 very dark photographs or the possible 'Lampropelma nigerrimum' fetured on RCW's site?

Soren do you know how Vladimir Sejna's identified the 'violaceopes' in his photographs? did he have the 'type' before Smith? from, the BNHM?

phormingochilus

07-15-2004, 09:23 AM

Nope - it looks like this:

http://www.birdspiders.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=photo.detail&imageid=15B03A4CKD0B7KAEC2K149FCE74E21A2683

I do have much better pictures of this species but none of my own - send me a private mail and I can send you a good shot of a freshly molted mature female ;-)

;-) Søren

thanks for that Soren but WTF that looks like the possible 'Lampropelma nigerrimum' ????

phormingochilus

07-15-2004, 09:28 AM

He didn't - they were sold as "Haplopelma robustum". Later Volker posted a mail with a picture claiming that it was the true L. violaceopes. Then the doubts set in ... and here we are ;-) Only when the status of the true type of L. violaceopes has been located and proberly examined will we have something to work with.

the photographs are very dark (and was scanned with a bad scanner) and the female is premolt etc etc. Still you get the picture ;-) However dark they appear they are not the Lampropelma sp. "orange fringed" ;-)

Thanks for that Martin {D what do you think about Vladimir Sejna's violaceopes photos? are they just 2 very dark photographs or the possible 'Lampropelma nigerrimum' fetured on RCW's site?

Soren do you know how Vladimir Sejna's identified the 'violaceopes' in his photographs? did he have the 'type' before Smith? from, the BNHM?

RichardDegville

07-15-2004, 09:32 AM

LOL god struth the plot thickens :? yeh looking at both pics its light on the latter I know photos are worth a 1000 words but can be totally usless when compairing specimens or identifying un common sp.
I need a spider break cuppa tea time i think thanks for the photos guys
smoke me a kipper ill be back for breakfast!

phormingochilus

07-15-2004, 09:38 AM

Subadult female from the batch of Sejnas female ;-)

Enjoy ;-)

Søren

LOL god struth the plot thickens :? yeh looking at both pics its light on the latter I know photos are worth a 1000 words but can be totally usless when compairing specimens or identifying un common sp.
I need a spider break cuppa tea time i think thanks for the photos guys
smoke me a kipper ill be back for breakfast!

phormingochilus

07-15-2004, 09:47 AM

Yep - the art of drawing - and indeed illustrating is very delicate ... what to include? what to leave out? In this case photos of key characters can be more revealing when still in the process of establishing which characters are valid and which are not. When the characters are firmly established illustrations are usually more explanatory than photos.

So I guess Volker might benefit from a little trip to the UK and some days with Smith to sort out some of the questions floating in the air ;-)

Very Best Regards
Søren

Hi,

and this was based on comparisons with Andre Smith's drawings of the type material: >>click here<< (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arachnids-pix/message/2992)

all the best,
Martin

RichardDegville

07-15-2004, 10:01 AM

(sips his tea) now whats going to be done about the 'blue' type? is this indeed a nov.sp in which case who ever describes it (the books open lads)
will need to deposit the 'type' and does any one in the hobby have an adult yet barr Alvin? you cant really describe from exuvia (needless to say,
specimens continue to grow and change and moults crumble in museum
collections.(RCW). ) So whats to be done I wounder?
I hear on the grape vine that Volker and Andrew Smith disagree over the IDs of these 'blue' specimens? I forgot who told me that now but this must mean they are getting closer and working together? so maybe a joint description could be a possiblity?

phormingochilus

07-15-2004, 10:16 AM

Now that is good news ;-)

Søren

Hi,
about two weeks ago, when A. Smith did his two lectures in Stuttgart, they spent several days together and also visited the Museum in Berlin together to study material laying there... and of course they discussed a lot of topics! =;-)

Cheers,
Martin

phormingochilus

07-15-2004, 10:21 AM

Problem is Abrahams original description which apparently deals with more than one species and all are described as one; L. violaceopes. Mix this with two likely candidates for the title L. violaceopes from the same region, and the uncertainty if they are alltogether new species or any one of the species originally described as L. violaceopes. Only an examination and redescription of Abrahams deposited material labelled as L. violaceopes will clear that out and open for the possibility of new species descriptions if needed.

So hold your horses - taxonomy takes time - looong time ;-)

Very Best Regards
Søren

(sips his tea) now whats going to be done about the 'blue' type? is this indeed a nov.sp in which case who ever describes it (the books open lads)
will need to deposit the 'type' and does any one in the hobby have an adult yet barr Alvin? you cant really describe from exuvia (needless to say,
specimens continue to grow and change and moults crumble in museum
collections.(RCW). ) So whats to be done I wounder?
I hear on the grape vine that Volker and Andrew Smith disagree over the IDs of these 'blue' specimens? I forgot who told me that now but this must mean they are getting closer and working together? so maybe a joint description could be a possiblity?

RichardDegville

07-15-2004, 10:31 AM

Yep I think we have a long wait :confused: but it makes a nice change of topic from what the best substrate you use huh lol

Michael.NEGRINI

07-16-2004, 09:10 AM

Thanks Martin and Soren for your answers ;-) And also for this interesting discussion.
We keep in touch for the male Soren ;-)

How do I have to call my "mystery" Cyriopagopus ? C. cf. schioedtei ? or it's a well known geographical variant from a precise locality ?

phormingochilus

07-16-2004, 09:42 AM

Cyriopagopus schioedtei dcf (dark color form) as we do it with Pterinochilus murinus ???

Søren

Thanks Martin and Soren for your answers ;-) And also for this interesting discussion.
We keep in touch for the male Soren ;-)

How do I have to call my "mystery" Cyriopagopus ? C. cf. schioedtei ? or it's a well known geographical variant from a precise locality ?

RichardDegville

07-27-2004, 05:53 PM

Ahh lets have a couple more new pix with my new camera!! {D

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/brumtarantulas/Imgp0027.jpg

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/brumtarantulas/Imgp0026.jpg

Arachnoking

07-28-2004, 02:46 PM

Just out of interest how big are they. ?

why does the webbing look blue on that second pic :? :)

Lopez

07-28-2004, 03:09 PM

If they're from the same batch as the ones sold at the BTS (and I'd assume they are) they look very blue for their size!

Arachnoking

07-28-2004, 03:14 PM

i certainly have to agree there

RichardDegville

07-28-2004, 03:31 PM

Bloody hell there's no pleasing some people just nit pick at every thing :? first I want to see a pic now the pics not good enough the photographed specimen is male its a good bit bigger than my females the females are more brown possible premoult or just retared growth due to being females that males just moulted :D just sit back and enjoy the pic dude I'll take some photos of the females in due course for you to have a nit pic at NOT lol :)

Leon I dont know if they are from the same batch at the BTS show Alvin never said + Brendan has a 3.5 specimen sent direct also soooooooo...... :confused: my new camera does kinda pic out all the colours im well chuffed with it {D

Arachnoking

07-28-2004, 04:00 PM

Heres a ventral view of one of my Cyriopagopus sp "blue" anyone care to take a guess at what sex it is?. i still have another which is shedding.

Keep your hair on Rich lol :D

RichardDegville

07-28-2004, 04:26 PM

what hair lol

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/brumtarantulas/me.jpg

now for more Cyriopagopus spp :)

'Lampropelma' type

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/brumtarantulas/Imgp0047.jpg

Female 'blue'

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/brumtarantulas/Imgp0050.jpg

Arachnoking

07-28-2004, 04:54 PM

How big is that female? it looks tiny. the same size as the ones bought at the show. Also i wasnt nit picking. i was making an observation :)

cichlidsman

07-28-2004, 04:57 PM

Stemloop, this may help. Check this past thread: >>Click me<< (http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?t=23287)

http://www.arachnopics.com/data/500/81newurth.jpg
wow that is a great looking spider.

RichardDegville

07-28-2004, 04:58 PM

Shes about 2.5 inch the 'Lampropelma' type is about the same size just more stocky
happy now?

cichlidsman

07-28-2004, 05:00 PM

Heres a ventral view of one of my Cyriopagopus sp "blue" anyone care to take a guess at what sex it is?. i still have another which is shedding.

Keep your hair on Rich lol :D
is it a male? cos i can see a little bit of black between the upper book lungs.

Arachnoking

07-28-2004, 05:01 PM

same as mine then.have hopefully got my adult female P.miranda coming in a couple of weeks too :D

Arachnoking

07-28-2004, 05:04 PM

no im not happy rich. i dont appreciate being spoken to like that . sorry guys and mods but there was no need for that. i asked a simple question.

G_Wright

07-28-2004, 05:14 PM

Heres a ventral view of one of my Cyriopagopus sp "blue" anyone care to take a guess at what sex it is?. i still have another which is shedding.

Keep your hair on Rich lol :D

I think it could be female the epyginal plate is more triangular than straight. At that size though your better off waiting for it to moult then get out the microscope etc

cichlidsman

07-28-2004, 05:17 PM

I think it could be female the epyginal plate is more triangular than straight. At that size though your better off waiting for it to moult then get out the microscope etc
what is that black spot between the upper book lungs?

Arachnoking

07-28-2004, 05:17 PM

Thanks for your mput G. Ill wait for it to shed again and send the skin off to Chris.

Lopez

07-28-2004, 05:28 PM

Lopez

07-28-2004, 05:34 PM

Female 'blue'

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/brumtarantulas/Imgp0050.jpg
Aaah, that's more like what I was expecting!

RichardDegville

07-28-2004, 05:36 PM

yeh true mate the other males the same size and all the females are small I dunno if they are from the same batch or not (BTS) but if they are Brendans got a male thats sexed guaranteed female via Alvin or mr Goh if its not they will replace nice guys!!!

RichardDegville

07-28-2004, 06:09 PM

Aaah, that's more like what I was expecting!

Hi mate is that a female blue? :?

Lopez

07-28-2004, 06:20 PM

Hi mate is that a female blue? :?
It's a dedicated moult chewer so I haven't had a chance to be 100% sure either way. Don't like sexing ventrally at the best of times!

RichardDegville

07-28-2004, 06:24 PM

its a <edit> biggen mate!!! lol fair play!!! nice beast

phormingochilus

07-29-2004, 03:36 AM

Male

I also remember Alvin saying that there's a high percentage of males in batches from this species ;-)

Søren

Heres a ventral view of one of my Cyriopagopus sp "blue" anyone care to take a guess at what sex it is?. i still have another which is shedding.

Keep your hair on Rich lol :D

Arachnoking

07-29-2004, 06:38 PM

dont mean this to sound rude Soren but what are u basing the reply of it being male on? could u demonstrate. im just very curious

phormingochilus

07-30-2004, 03:23 AM

That's not rude, that's curiosity ;-) and I will try to explain the best I can:

First thing I am basing my assumption on is the knowledge of epiandrous fusillae. In other words the knowledge of the existance of the silk glands males are using when creating the dense and finest silk in their sperm web. These silk glands can be found central on the rim of the epigynal plate which is found between the anterior pair of book lungs. These glands can in some genera be very pronounced and take the shape of a circular/triangular/crescent shaped dark "dot" or "spot" (depending on genera) even at early instars in for instance Brachypelma, Grammostola, Poecilotheria and ornithoctonids. All juvenile to adult males have these fusillae. And the Cyriopagopus (ornithoctonid) in the picture have a marked dark spot right on the center of the rim of the epigynbal plate which is why I say it's a male. At least it looks like any other juvenile male I have encountered within genus Cyriopagopus. I have bred and raised C. schioedtei and a wide array of other ornithoctonids on multiple occasions which leads me to the next few factors which I base my assumption on

... experience, experience and experience ;-)

Learn more about this technique at:
http://www.birdspiders.com/faq_sex.html

Very Best Regards
Søren

dont mean this to sound rude Soren but what are u basing the reply of it being male on? could u demonstrate. im just very curious

RichardDegville

07-30-2004, 08:45 AM

Hiya just out of interest I would be interested to see a Ventral view of Deans other specimen as correct me if im wrong dean is the only other person that bought a couple of this sp in the uk from the BTS show? and if there were a majority of males for sale at the BTS show he may have 2 males? or may have struck lucky and got a pair? Im not a great fan of sexing via non kin examination as I was cock sure I had a male pokie once until it ended up producing a bogus egg sac :confused:

Lostkat

07-30-2004, 09:24 AM

Bren has one over in Ireland, Kate & I have two between us, and Dean has two - other than that I don't know who bought them......

EDIT - Lopez here...for some reason it won't let Kate log out!

RichardDegville

07-30-2004, 09:48 AM

Hiya mate (nice dress) lol
Brendan had his specimen sent direct the same as mine and was presexed and guarrenteed as female like mine were 2 males 3 females.
so it would be nice to see some ventral shots of the people who own 2 or more in the uk that were purchassed via the show (that we know of ) as dean has 2 it would be nice to see a ventral pic of his other specimen. judging by the size of your specimen @ leon if it came from the same batch as mine I would say male ( unless you have power fed the butt off it lol) it would be nice to see how many pople have paid the price wanted for a male :8o and whos got a male if need be for future breeding in the uk.

phormingochilus

07-30-2004, 10:08 AM

I bought 5 specimens. Haven't sexed none of them yet, but reckon it's the exact same deal as with C. schioedtei - dirt easy. Haven't got access to a digicam right now, and do not wish to dig the critters out for now - their sex will remain unchanged anyhow.

Søren

Hiya mate (nice dress) lol
Brendan had his specimen sent direct the same as mine and was presexed and guarrenteed as female like mine were 2 males 3 females.
so it would be nice to see some ventral shots of the people who own 2 or more in the uk that were purchassed via the show (that we know of ) as dean has 2 it would be nice to see a ventral pic of his other specimen. judging by the size of your specimen @ leon if it came from the same batch as mine I would say male ( unless you have power fed the butt off it lol) it would be nice to see how many pople have paid the price wanted for a male :8o and whos got a male if need be for future breeding in the uk.

Aviculariinae

07-30-2004, 10:45 AM

I bought 5 specimens

Dont tell lies soren you picked up a load of H.longipedums! ;P

Cheers
Brendan

Arachnoking

07-30-2004, 05:42 PM

heres a ventral shot of my other one. both of these are coming up very close to shedding so there will be no more pics until they have shed and hardened off. even if they r 2 males im not worried because i should be getting 2 more soon and when they go on breeding loan it will be a split breeding. i wont be selling them. :)

Arachnoking

07-30-2004, 05:45 PM

sorry about the pic quality in the first shot

the second is the same spider

RichardDegville

07-30-2004, 05:53 PM

I cant really tell from the ventral pic ( although photo ventral sexing is gay lol)
I would imagine the hard part of sending the males out on breeding loan would be finding a hobbyist with a female whos willing to 50/50 remember £££ €€€ $$$$ will be at stake when they have been bred and not every one will be willing to share there piece of the pie :mad: you say you wont be selling them if you do manage to breed them if your missus is anything like mine if i had a 100 £80 each spiderlings sitting in a tank doing nothing and the missus wants her patio and you have just been out on a bender with the lads im sure some will go up for sale or its a few nights on the old dears sofa LMAO

Arachnoking

07-30-2004, 06:11 PM

i meant i would not be selling a mature male. i would want at least a percentage of resulting offspring.

Steve Nunn

07-30-2004, 08:29 PM

heres a ventral shot of my other one.

Sorry, but that's probably a male as well. The fusillae seem clearly visible.

phormingochilus

11-19-2004, 07:44 AM

Freshly molted - Enjoy ;-)

Regards
Søren

Aviculariinae

11-19-2004, 08:41 AM

Hi,
:drool: Will you ever get your act together and breed these again so i can get some slings instead of teasing me with bloody pictures. :)

phormingochilus

11-19-2004, 08:53 AM

3 females (hopefully) mated so far, so keep your fingers crossed ;-)

Regards
Søren

Hi,
:drool: Will you ever get your act together and breed these again so i can get some slings instead of teasing me with bloody pictures. :)

G_Wright

11-19-2004, 10:38 AM

here is one of mine this is of the bluer one the second one i have is from a different blood line it is the same size but a light brown colour

Cyriopagopus sp "Singapore blue"
http://home.freeuk.com/xclent/images/gallery/cyriopagopus-sp-Singapore-blue-spiderling.jpg

G_Wright

11-19-2004, 10:40 AM

3 females (hopefully) mated so far, so keep your fingers crossed ;-)

Regards
Søren

Well all keep our fingers crossed for you.

Oh remember that gbb i bought of you at the bts I mated it and got a sac (infertile though lol) all other attempts resulted in eaten males

Lopez

11-29-2004, 01:02 PM

Adult male Cyriopagopus schioedtei soon to move onto his second female.

http://www.vsupermarket.co.uk/~lopez/spidersite/gallery/Cyriopagopusschioedteim01.jpg

http://www.vsupermarket.co.uk/~lopez/spidersite/gallery/Cyriopagopusschioedteim04.jpg

http://www.vsupermarket.co.uk/~lopez/spidersite/gallery/Cyriopagopusschioedteim05.jpg

http://www.vsupermarket.co.uk/~lopez/spidersite/gallery/Cyriopagopusschioedteim06.jpg

Randolph XX()

12-01-2004, 06:31 PM

wow, what size is that male
looks amazing

Felix_Swe

01-28-2005, 07:26 PM

brgn

01-28-2005, 07:37 PM

Hi Martin!

Are you sure it is a Cyriopagopus sp. ?
It looks like an Lampropelma violaceopes too me.
But it is a realy good looking spider :drool: i want some of those
I have one Cyriopagopus sp. "blue" sling. She is about 1,5 inch.
I think it is a she it looks like a girl. Im quite new on sexing spiders.

/Felix

If you are thinking about the first picture that Martin posted here, it is the species that are being sold as "Lampropelma violaceopes". If you search the forums you will find more info about it, but the short story is that this species is not a typical Lampropelma, Cyriopagopus or Haplopelma(have also been sold as Haplopelma robustum, and is listed as a Cyriopagopus on Rick West's site).

Robert

tarcan

02-15-2005, 08:26 PM

Female... :) :)

Sheri

02-15-2005, 08:53 PM

Female... :) :)

How large is that one Martin?

I still don't know the sex of mine... but I suspect its about 2.5" now... does that sound right? I never see it...

How'd ya get it SO blue?

tarcan

02-15-2005, 08:58 PM

jeffh_x

02-15-2005, 09:04 PM

had to take her poop shot right out of her rear end while taking this photo shoot lol..aww...she loooooooves me...

tarcan

02-15-2005, 09:05 PM

jeffhx,

Your spider is catholic? I never seen a spider have communion!LOL

Sheri

02-15-2005, 09:14 PM

Sheri,

I's say it is about 6" on the conservative side...

Wait till yours grow, do not worry, they will be blue... I still cannot believe how nice this species is, I nearly had a shock when I took a look inside the terrarium of the one on the picture... I just had to take a pic...

My bigger female is in pre-molt right now... if it molts as blue as that one on the pic, I think I will have a heart attack!

Take care

Martin

Yeah, no kidding...
Do you find this species to take an especially long time to put on weight? Mine eats and eats, but still, the abdomen stays quite thin... but I don't have a lot of experience with arboreals, but these have seemed more prone to it.

Svenja

03-15-2005, 03:48 AM

Hello,

can you sex this cyriopagopus spec. ?

http://www.arcor.de/palb/alben/62/524562/1152_3233346239366137.jpg

thank you,

svenja

P.Portela

03-15-2005, 07:07 AM

My Cyriopagopus paganus. :clap:

Robert Seliger

04-05-2005, 08:32 AM

http://www.arcor.de/palb/alben/81/647081/1440_3065623636356136.jpg

0.1.0 Cyriopagopus sp. "blue"

http://www.arcor.de/palb/alben/81/647081/1440_6332663662656334.jpg

0.1.0 Cyriopagopus schioedtei protecting eggsac

Best regards.
Robert

omer

04-05-2005, 12:31 PM

good luck with the egg sac

Robert Seliger

04-05-2005, 02:02 PM

@ omer:

Thanks.
If everything works out bad, with this eggsac, i have two other mated females. A third female, which molted a week ago, will be mated in the next two weeks.

Best regards.
Robert

Lopez

04-17-2005, 05:14 PM

Sub-adult female Cyriopagopus sp."Blue"

http://www.roguesgallery.com/spider/Kettering03.jpg

TheEternal

04-17-2005, 05:58 PM

Sub-adult female Cyriopagopus sp."Blue"

http://www.roguesgallery.com/spider/Kettering03.jpg

I don't see the blue. Looks more orange to me ;)

Does the color come in only as adults?

-Bryan

Lopez

04-17-2005, 06:13 PM

I don't see the blue. Looks more orange to me ;)

Does the color come in only as adults?

-Bryan
In reality it's already showing some purple/blue but the camera doesn't pick it up fantastically well.

Lopez

04-17-2005, 06:15 PM

Of course, the adults are quite purply-blue

http://www.roguesgallery.com/spider/Kettering01.jpg

tarcan

04-17-2005, 08:01 PM

Lopez

04-18-2005, 03:00 AM

the blue on those must be one of the hardest blue to capture on a T... this is the best I came up with so far...

http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?t=40954

Last Friday, I tryed to take some new pictures of another freshly molted females and they all sucked...

I agree Martin.

They tend to either look plain, or over-saturated and Photoshopped.
Broad daylight with no flash seems to be the answer for the best balance, although Kate got a cracking one yesterday by using a Canon 300D and a ring flash held seperately.

Lopez

04-19-2005, 02:22 PM

Cyriopagopus sp."Blue" adult female

http://www.vsupermarket.co.uk/~lopez/spidersite/gallery/Cyriopagopusbluef01.jpg

http://www.vsupermarket.co.uk/~lopez/spidersite/gallery/Cyriopagopusbluef02.jpg

http://www.vsupermarket.co.uk/~lopez/spidersite/gallery/Cyriopagopusbluef03.jpg

Cyriopagopus sp."Blue" adult male

http://www.vsupermarket.co.uk/~lopez/spidersite/gallery/Cyriopagopusbluem01.jpg

http://www.vsupermarket.co.uk/~lopez/spidersite/gallery/Cyriopagopusbluem02.jpg

http://www.vsupermarket.co.uk/~lopez/spidersite/gallery/Cyriopagopusbluem03.jpg

manville

04-19-2005, 03:36 PM

wow..i didnt know the colour difference was that big..very nice tarantulas!~

Randolph XX()

04-19-2005, 03:38 PM

what's the difference between schioedeti male and Sg blue male?

manville

04-19-2005, 04:55 PM

what's the difference between schioedeti male and Sg blue male?
different species maybe? nah..im just kidding..

robustum

04-19-2005, 05:58 PM

C, spec, "Blue"

metallica

04-25-2005, 01:49 PM

is there room for some pics here?

Sheri

04-25-2005, 01:58 PM

Always room for pics like those....

How long did it take her to get to that size?

metallica

04-25-2005, 01:59 PM

no idea, this is the female that was on show at the BTS show last year May

Robert Seliger

05-12-2005, 10:23 AM

Cyriopagopus schioedtei - eggs with leggs

http://www.arcor.de/palb/alben/81/647081/1440_6262333735343335.jpg

Regards.
Robert

xenesthis

05-16-2005, 12:10 AM

What breeders have successfully hatched out slings of the Cyriopagopus sp. "Singapore blue" so far?

Todd

phormingochilus

05-16-2005, 04:38 AM

To the best of my knowledge only the main supplier from Singapore has done this untill now.

Søren

What breeders have successfully hatched out slings of the Cyriopagopus sp. "Singapore blue" so far?

Todd

priZZ

05-16-2005, 04:39 AM

To the best of my knowledge only the main supplier from Singapore has done this untill now.

Yep, that guy who sold them in Germany... but don't want to say any names. ;)

GoTerps

05-20-2005, 05:51 PM

Freshly molted CB ~6" female C. schioedtei.
A young girl still growing. I got her as a 3/4" sling about 2 years ago.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/GoTerps/606eed2d.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/GoTerps/3e3e67c4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/GoTerps/7e3f8f9d.jpg

Steve Nunn

05-20-2005, 07:42 PM

Yep, that guy who sold them in Germany... but don't want to say any names. ;)

Wouldn't that be the dude with his name on the copyright of the orig. pics??? K.H. Seah, or Alvin???? ;) If he wanted to keep it a secret he probably should have used some other name on the photos, lol

Why is this one of those things where we shouldn't speak names?? Is he an underground kind of dude? lmao _ I love the secrecy of arachnotopia_
And how some know these good bits of info, but others don't, kind of like the CIA of the spiderworld, "you only know what you need to know"

It gets better because I can blurt it out, it alows me to feel kind of like Fox Mulder, or Dana Scully if the mood takes me ;)

Very cool, I love intrigue and mystery!

Crotalus

05-20-2005, 07:48 PM

Wouldn't that be the dude with his name on the copyright of the orig. pics??? K.H. Seah, or Alvin???? ;) If he wanted to keep it a secret he probably should have used some other name on the photos, lol

Why is this one of those things where we shouldn't speak names?? Is he an underground kind of dude? lmao _ I love the secrecy of arachnotopia_
And how some know these good bits of info, but others don't, kind of like the CIA of the spiderworld, "you only know what you need to know"

It gets better because I can blurt it out, it alows me to feel kind of like Fox Mulder, or Dana Scully if the mood takes me ;)

Very cool, I love intrigue and mystery!
My guess its because its illegal to ship spiders from Singapore.

/Lelle

GoTerps

05-20-2005, 07:52 PM

It gets better because I can blurt it out, it alows me to feel kind of like Fox Mulder, or Dana Scully if the mood takes me

Haha, very funny!! I'd like to be Scully for a day or 2 lol. Off topic but I have all 9 seasons of the Xfiles burnt on dvd, finished watching them all through the other week... man what a great show that was!

Steve Nunn

05-20-2005, 08:26 PM

My guess its because its illegal to ship spiders from Singapore.

OH!, I didn't know that! seriously. oops

Steve Nunn

05-20-2005, 08:28 PM

I'd like to be Scully for a day or 2 lol.

Hey, if you can't love yourself, who can you love??

priZZ

05-21-2005, 02:12 AM

My guess its because its illegal to ship spiders from Singapore.

Exactly. And in Singapore it is also illegal to keep exotics.

manville

05-21-2005, 02:35 AM

Exactly. And in Singapore it is also illegal to keep exotics.
Yup, you cant keep exotics unless it is native. What will the world come to when i go back home!? I guess i could still keep the singapore blue...

Robert Seliger

05-21-2005, 09:36 AM

http://www.arcor.de/palb/alben/81/647081/1440_6561383134663734.jpg

0.1.0 Cyriopagopus sp. "blue" - female, freshly molted

Best regards.
Robert

FryLock

05-21-2005, 10:22 AM

Yup, you cant keep exotics unless it is native. What will the world come to when i go back home!? I guess i could still keep the singapore blue...

Maybe, or maybe not.

Secrets secrets.. ;).

manville

05-21-2005, 02:54 PM

Maybe, or maybe not.

Secrets secrets.. ;).
well, we'll see...i'll tell you if i do or not..

Fred

05-21-2005, 02:58 PM

Robert Seliger, that is one nice Tarantula.

Lopez

05-29-2005, 05:44 AM

Not sure where is best to post this spider, so for now she can go here

http://www.vsupermarket.co.uk/~lopez/MySpiders/LV1.jpg

http://www.vsupermarket.co.uk/~lopez/MySpiders/LV2.jpg

Jetzie

05-29-2005, 06:43 AM

here's mine!

likely male :wall: ? do they have that orangey hair as adults? or just in males?
1 of my friend's cyrio doesnt have the hairs at the same size as mine :\

http://img283.echo.cx/img283/821/cyriopagapus2905059gj.jpg

metallica

05-29-2005, 07:13 AM

glad i could give her to you with the tank Leon!!

priZZ

05-29-2005, 07:41 AM

Not sure where is best to post this spider, so for now she can go here

Hmmm... pls don't tell me Lamprolema violaceopes will be moved to the Genus Cyriopagopus?! :eek:

metallica

05-29-2005, 11:14 AM

Hmmm... pls don't tell me Lamprolema violaceopes will be moved to the Genus Cyriopagopus?! :eek:

who says this is Lamprolema violaceopes? {D

priZZ

05-29-2005, 11:39 AM

who says this is Lamprolema violaceopes? {D

Tought it because of this:

http://www.vsupermarket.co.uk/~lopez/MySpiders/LV2.jpg

Steve Nunn

05-29-2005, 11:02 PM

Tought it because of this:

Hi priZZ,

L. violaceopes will as far as I can tell remain in Lampropelma, we are just waiting for some intrepid enthusiast or taxonomist to have a good look at all the types, seems they are indeed from two different species! Abraham collected from two different locations. Some of us were aware of this a long time ago, however it was released that they were L.violaceopes. So, perhaps one of the L.violaceopes will be moved to another genus, perhaps it will stay in the Lampropelma, time will tell.

Bottom line is that the specimen you guys all call L.violaceopes, or used to, is probably not even a Lampropelma!!! More likely Cyriopagopus, which is why Leon posted it here. That said, noone is real sure because from what I understand, this particular spider possesses characters that were though to be diagnostic of both Cyriopagopus and Lampropelma.

OH NO, a possible generic intergrade!! What can it mean ;) Well, a whole bunch of phylogenetic research needs to be done, but intergrades at this level are a real problem and indeed show that we are perhaps still a long way from getting it close to correct.

Cheers,
Steve

Lopez

05-30-2005, 02:56 AM

Hi Steve,
Yep, that's basically it. For now we are left with a spider that isn't strictly Haplopelma, Lampropelma, Ornithoctonus or Cyriopagopus.
So for now I find it easiest to refer to it as "Lampropelma violaceopes" or Ornithoctoninae ex. Malaysia (or similar)
It's also been sold in the past as H.robustum, and the 4 spiderlings I bought at the BTS were labelled as Haplopelma sp.Malaysie. This only adds to the confusion (for the masses, not the more informed). Plus of course, we learn things every day and this erases or changes information we have published (be it on forums, lists or in papers) in the past.

Still, who cares. It's a bloody nice spider. :D

Steve Nunn

05-30-2005, 04:00 AM

Hi Leon,

Hopefully, with the cladistic analysis of the Ornithoctoninae and all types completed, throwing the characters diagnostic of these spiders into the mix will yield results. Of course the ideal find is the "homologous character" that ties these groups together well, but as not many seem to be aware or realise, more often then not the homologous character does not "behave" well and this is where it can be really complicated, the determination of irregularities in true homologous characters is very difficult, particularly when too many irregularities turn up and make you question the determination of homology in the first place! The more one understands this, the more one will lean toward the practice of "lumping" in order to determine homology.

The study of systematics is so damn complex it isn't funny. Nothing is that cut and dry in this field, so often we are lead on many wild goose chases before we can see these relationships with any real clarity.

I don't know if you're aware of the DNA analysis done recently in the UK on the U.S/Mexican theraphosids and the findings from that!! The end result was totally unexpected, with close relationships determined/ hypothesized where classical systematic analysis could not conceivably determine such results, ever!! In fact, the findings from that have thrown the systematics of the theraphosids for a big spin.

Anyhoo, there are indeed fun times ahead and I think we are going to see new groups we could of never perceived with the increase of DNA research.....After all DNA doesn't lie, does it?????? ;)????????

Cheers,
Steve

phormingochilus

05-30-2005, 01:40 PM

Depends on the DNA marker you choose ;-)

Søren

Hi Leon,
After all DNA doesn't lie, does it?????? ;)????????

Cheers,
Steve

truhlik

05-30-2005, 03:38 PM

Hi

I have one question- are Cyriopagopus spieces aboreal?

Mark

05-30-2005, 03:42 PM

All Cyriopagopus spp. are strictly aboreal in the wild.

truhlik

05-31-2005, 01:01 AM

thank you...

Steve Nunn

05-31-2005, 01:12 AM

Depends on the DNA marker you choose `

Well, apparently so... are you familiar with the results published last year from the BMNH regarding the DNA analyses in Aphonopelma, Brachypelma, Megaphobema, etc??? Good read if you can get hold of the work :)

Cheers,
Steve

danread

05-31-2005, 04:27 AM

`

Well, apparently so... are you familiar with the results published last year from the BMNH regarding the DNA analyses in Aphonopelma, Brachypelma, Megaphobema, etc??? Good read if you can get hold of the work :)

Cheers,
Steve

Hi Steve,

do you have the reference for this paper/s?

Cheers.

Steve Nunn

05-31-2005, 05:03 AM

Hi Steve,

do you have the reference for this paper/s?

Cheers.

Hi Dan,
I do, I will hunt it down :)
Also, if you are interested in DNA research you will find a heap of online articles at google scholar.

Steve

Lopez

05-31-2005, 05:28 AM

Hi Steve,
Yes, I saw Mr Longhorns presentation at the BTS Lectures. As he said, the work is by no means complete, but it provides an awful lot of food for thought.

See you all in a week, I'm off to Croatia :p

FryLock

05-31-2005, 05:32 AM

It seems Peewee is very big in the DNA field these days, a big leap from a creepy kids entertainer but there you go :eek:.

Sorry could not pass that one up

Steve Nunn

05-31-2005, 05:42 AM

It seems Peewee is very big in the DNA field these days, a big leap from a creepy kids entertainer but there you go :eek:.

No <EDIT>???!!!!! sorry, sorry for swearing moderators, but that <EDIT> is freaky, I'm sorry LMAO

phormingochilus

05-31-2005, 06:44 AM

Nope only heard about the lecture. To my understanding the "bullet proofness" of DNA is only achieved when the whole set of variations are mapped (as with phyllogeny), first then you can find that "fingerprint" marker that will prove unique within species or genera or and upwards, the wider you aim the more material needs to be mapped and understood. "Same procedure as last year James ..." BTW some danish scientists has found a way to map how and where (and when) micro RNA works which is more or less the blueprint and instruction manual to the blue print (DNA) allegedly a great breakthrough in the treatment against genetically conditioned diseases.

Regards
Søren

`

Well, apparently so... are you familiar with the results published last year from the BMNH regarding the DNA analyses in Aphonopelma, Brachypelma, Megaphobema, etc??? Good read if you can get hold of the work :)

Cheers,
Steve

danread

05-31-2005, 06:51 AM

Hi Dan,
I do, I will hunt it down :)
Also, if you are interested in DNA research you will find a heap of online articles at google scholar.

Steve

That would be great, thanks. I don't have a problem with access to DNA research, i'm doing my PhD in an Molecular ecology/conservation lab ;) (although i'm not working on consevation genetics myself, i hear enough about it from a day to day basis!).

Steve Nunn

05-31-2005, 07:01 AM

I don't have a problem with access to DNA research, i'm doing my PhD in an Molecular ecology/conservation lab ;)

Well in that case if I need to know anything I'll be knocking on your door ;) I know nothing of DNA research, I'm antique, lol... The information I got came from a friend with the info himself, who caught up with Mr Longhorn last year. I will get hold of it asap.

Cheers,
Steve

danread

05-31-2005, 07:50 AM

A really good source for anyone wanting an introduction to population genetics can be found in this paper:

Luikart G, England PR, Tallmon D, Jordan S, Taberlet P (2003) The power and promise of population genomics: From genotyping to genome typing. Nature Reviews Genetics 4, 981-994.

Cheers,

Kris

05-31-2005, 10:46 AM

Cyriopagopus schioedtei - 0.1 - subadult

http://www.arcor.de/palb/alben/36/3868136/1280_3761363839333261.jpg

truhlik

05-31-2005, 11:56 AM

she is so beautyful :drool:

Goliath

05-31-2005, 05:48 PM

Kris she is a beauty :D . Here is my sub adult female Cyriopagopus schioedtei, not a great picture. She just molted so I will try to get better ones.
Mike

Lopez

06-09-2005, 06:58 PM

I had a nice surprise waiting for me when I returned from Croatia ;-)

http://www.vsupermarket.co.uk/~lopez/MySpiders/CSB1.jpg

http://www.vsupermarket.co.uk/~lopez/MySpiders/CSB2.jpg

http://www.vsupermarket.co.uk/~lopez/MySpiders/CSB3.jpg

http://www.vsupermarket.co.uk/~lopez/MySpiders/CSB4.jpg

http://www.vsupermarket.co.uk/~lopez/MySpiders/CSB5.jpg

http://www.vsupermarket.co.uk/~lopez/MySpiders/CSB6.jpg

Deschain

06-09-2005, 10:39 PM

What an amazing contrast in colors Leon! I would be ecstatic to come home to that! Thanks for sharing the pics. :clap:

G_Wright

06-10-2005, 02:03 AM

Very nice Leon I have a male here small still though and the other one I think is female

Jetzie

06-10-2005, 02:55 AM

at about 3" and above, do the males of cyriopagapus blue show any coloration of blue at all? or it'll be brown all the way from ling to adult? got a 3" cyrio here and it has blue tinges and all, cant get a good ventral pic on it though. but a friend told me it shud be a male.
ani ideas about the coloration of the cyrio blues at diff stages?

xBurntBytheSunx

06-10-2005, 01:30 PM

where do you guys get these at? i can't ever remember seeing any for sale

Robi_Wan

06-11-2005, 04:43 AM

I have some for sale:

http://w01.my-files.de/robi_wan/Oeffentlich/myPhotos/spec_blue01_mai_05.jpg/view_spec_blue01_mai_05.jpg

phormingochilus

06-12-2005, 04:23 PM

I have some of these for sale - am situated in Denmark and send to whole Europe.

Regards
Søren

where do you guys get these at? i can't ever remember seeing any for sale

Andrew vV

06-14-2005, 10:46 PM

sp. "blue" spermathecae

tarcan

06-15-2005, 07:01 PM

Andrew, I am glad you have at least one female!

Andrew vV

06-15-2005, 07:06 PM

hehe, so am I!! maybe two :D

tarcan

06-16-2005, 03:57 PM

hehe, so am I!! maybe two :D

...even happier to hear it! Are they getting nice?

Lopez

06-16-2005, 04:41 PM

Despite appearances here, not really too defensive either. These threat poses were made in a remarkably calm fashion.

http://www.vsupermarket.co.uk/~lopez/MySpiders/CRB1.jpg

http://www.vsupermarket.co.uk/~lopez/MySpiders/CRB2.jpg

Andrew vV

06-16-2005, 08:19 PM

...even happier to hear it! Are they getting nice?

the colour change in these guys is incredible!! Went from purple/ brown and very obvious chevrons on the abdomen, to almost completely blue in one moult....plus I swear she must have gained 1.5" in legspan....posted a pic of her in "the best arboreal" thread :D
Nice shots of yours as usual :eek:

GoTerps

07-06-2005, 12:34 PM

Here is a photo of one of the spiderlings I have as Cyriopagopus sp. "Malaysia" (from the eastern side of the Cameron Highlands, supposedly darker than C. schioedtei)

I suspect they will prove to be one of the DCF of C. schioedtei.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/GoTerps/9dc2527a.jpg

Robert Seliger

07-06-2005, 05:05 PM

http://www.arcor.de/palb/alben/81/647081/1440_6531343038316231.jpg

http://www.arcor.de/palb/alben/81/647081/1440_3165326536646335.jpg

Cyriopagopus schioedtei - spiderlings

Best regards.
Robert

robustum

07-11-2005, 07:39 AM

http://img273.imageshack.us/img273/2539/a2jcsb10tp.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/5705/a2jcsb2du.jpg
best regards Jürgen

Kumalo

07-14-2005, 05:37 AM

Me also ;-)

http://www.arcor.de/palb/alben/62/524562/1152_6232343866333731.jpg

Spermathec

http://www.arcor.de/palb/alben/62/524562/1152_3766383938346566.jpg

C. schioedtei female

http://www.arcor.de/palb/alben/62/524562/1152_6364333535313535.jpg

Ralph

08-30-2005, 10:30 AM

i wanna know how big can a Malaysian blue leg grow????

this sp is very infatuatedly!

is it fast growing???

thx~

phormingochilus

08-30-2005, 01:32 PM

25 cm legspan. Fastest growing T I know of. Males mature in less than a year, Females in less than 2 years.

Regards
Søren

i wanna know how big can a Malaysian blue leg grow????

this sp is very infatuatedly!

is it fast growing???

thx~

aftershock

08-31-2005, 11:23 AM

One of my C sp. "blue" molted today, and I'm quite happy after seeing this...:)

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/case214/cspbluemolt1.jpg

metallica

08-31-2005, 05:53 PM

here is one of my sp "blue"

Bigboy

09-01-2005, 08:37 PM

C. schioedtei about 4"
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a170/travismcj/100_1451.jpg
Guess it just isn't in the mood for any of my camera nonsense.

Raqua

09-02-2005, 03:29 AM

25 cm legspan. Fastest growing T I know of. Males mature in less than a year, Females in less than 2 years.
Regards
Søren
Does this mature speed apply also to C. schioedtei?

phormingochilus

09-02-2005, 04:21 AM

Nope ;-)

Søren

Does this mature speed apply also to C. schioedtei?

Bigboy

09-29-2005, 09:48 AM

C. schioedtei
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a170/travismcj/100_1449.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a170/travismcj/100_1448.jpg

jeffh_x

09-29-2005, 10:28 AM

darn it ive always wanted a c, schioedtei! but at molts they turn out to be sp blues...sigh... wat luck dont u reckon?

David Richards

09-29-2005, 11:24 AM

:mad: !@##@!!#@%$##@ :mad: :mad: :( :( :D :clap: :clap: :clap:

GoTerps

09-29-2005, 03:34 PM

This boy has been cohabing with my female for ~7 weeks now. He's on loan from Mike (Goliath).

Ultimate male Cyriopagopus schioedtei.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/GoTerps/a4713848.jpg

Goliath

09-29-2005, 04:34 PM

Eric, nice to see he is still doing well. She must like him. :D
Mike

Lopez

09-29-2005, 06:22 PM

C.schioedtei spiderlings after natural incubation with the mother

Andrew vV

10-08-2005, 08:34 PM

Female sp. "blue"...... enjoy!

Wadew

10-08-2005, 09:27 PM

I only have one on the 5th instar,after seeing this pic that is gonna change!

Anthony

10-08-2005, 09:35 PM

What a beautiful spider, congratulations.

Fred

10-08-2005, 11:13 PM

Very nice spider. I want to get one, but I guess I got to wait until next year.

Andrew vV

10-08-2005, 11:58 PM

Yes, it seems to take them until adulthood to get that intense blue colour! My smaller female still has a *little* brown left to get rid of ;)

Robert Seliger

10-10-2005, 06:02 PM

And again, new life of Cyriopagopus schioedtei !!!

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/81/647081/1440_3430373164623337.jpg

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/81/647081/1440_3961313261326265.jpg

Best regards.
Robert

Martin H.

01-10-2006, 04:33 PM

Hi

Cyriopagopus schioedtei (juvenile male)
http://www.spiderpix.com/allerlei/Cyriopagopus_schioedtei-Arachnoboards.jpg
all the best,
Martin

Michael Jacobi

01-10-2006, 07:01 PM

Awesome image Martin. I'd never thought about doing a superimposition like that.

Cheers,

Michael

brigebane

01-11-2006, 12:17 AM

Awesome image Martin. I'd never thought about doing a superimposition like that.

Cheers,

Michael
I think the Picture window layout is very effective. It brings your tarantula to a new dimension and overall just makes the picture more interesting.

brigebane

01-11-2006, 12:19 AM

Female sp. "blue"...... enjoy!
I will not be swayed by the blue....... aww who am I kidding:drool:

metallica

01-18-2006, 05:06 PM

finally i saw my "little" girl again

kennfreeloader

01-28-2006, 12:39 PM

Andrew vV: is that how the T actually looks like or were the colors enhanced beyond the real thing? how big is that sp blue of urs? looks very striking, wud be wonderful if our schioedteis mature into that:}

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c84/kennfreeloader/METBlue.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c84/kennfreeloader/ventral.jpg
my schioedtei at 6"

Andrew vV

01-31-2006, 10:54 AM

Kennfreeloader:

She is around 7". Those pics are not enhanced, she does look like that under bright light (flash) and a fresh moult :rolleyes:

I would almost put money on the pics you just posted as schioetei being sp. "blue";)

Cheers,
Andrew

Ralph

02-12-2006, 12:36 PM

http://www.spiderchina.com/bbs/images/upload/2006/02/10/132856.jpg
http://www.spiderchina.com/bbs/images/upload/2006/02/10/133101.jpg
this is my male sub-adult C.sp "blue"

and the other pics are the 0.1.0 C.sp(Malaysian blue legged)..Moulting....

pauljoule

02-13-2006, 10:54 AM

phormingochilus

02-14-2006, 07:23 AM

Can you post more pictures of this species?

Thanx in advance
Søren

and the other pics are the 0.1.0 C.sp(Malaysian blue legged)..Moulting....

Steve Nunn

02-14-2006, 08:12 AM

Hi,
Yes, those fat scopula on leg I make me very interested in seeing this one too...

Steve

phormingochilus

02-14-2006, 08:36 AM

For me more the combination of obvious leg striation and blue (and "malaysian") - this is new to me ;-)

Søren

Hi,
Yes, those fat scopula on leg I make me very interested in seeing this one too...

Steve

Steve Nunn

02-14-2006, 08:43 AM

Yeah, you can see the striation present in even the old exuvium, that's surprising.

Steve

phormingochilus

02-14-2006, 08:49 AM

The only Ornithoctonine species that I know of with this prominent striation is Haplopela albostriatum, but I have never heard of this species from as south as Malaysia, let alone a blue variety ... ;-)

Søren

Yeah, you can see the striation present in even the old exuvium, that's surprising.

Steve

Ralph

02-14-2006, 10:10 AM

The only Ornithoctonine species that I know of with this prominent striation is Haplopela albostriatum, but I have never heard of this species from as south as Malaysia, let alone a blue variety ... ;-)

Søren

Sorry .sir...im not certain if she was comes form Malaysian..I bought it as L.v.and we called it at:Malaysian bule legged earthtiger. So.
here you are. more pics

Ralph

02-14-2006, 10:16 AM

As i know.H.albo doesnt have any blue in legs..but you could easy to see the cobalt blue inside shes legs.And also has many striations present on legs.
Faint....Whats that???? I dont think this is a C.sp(malaysian blue legged earthtiger).I guessed the H.lividum... but i searched the pics of H.livudm...they are Not similar also.....

phormingochilus

02-14-2006, 10:23 AM

Don't be sorry ;-) To me it looks like a blue legged H. albostriatum or a H. lividum with leg striation. Could perhaps be a hybrid or an unusual colour variety of either two above species. Do you still have the exuviae? And can you perhaps inquire the dealer/collector/importer of the origin (country and preferably region/locality) of this specimen - and does he have any surplus I can buy ;-) (you can pm me with that info if available if you like). If you can send me the exuviae I can perhaps determine if it is any of the two above mentioned species or something else.

Regards
Søren

Sorry .sir...im not certain if she was comes form Malaysian..I bought it as L.v.and we called it at:Malaysian bule legged earthtiger. So.
here you are. more pics

Ralph

02-14-2006, 11:14 AM

Thanks. but im gonna ask the dealer about the locality of it.
yep.. after your ask....i have found some pics of H.albo...god..they are similary(Only the blue....Are Not)。 I have had 2 spiceman b4...but died one...so..i only have this one.
As for the exuviaes...Yep. i could find out some...and im very happy to send them to you. (I dunno how to PM you there about the adds).

phormingochilus

02-14-2006, 11:27 AM

To private mail you just click my profile name and you will be presented with a set of options. One is to send a private message to me. Hope to hear from you soon.

Regards
Søren

Thanks. but im gonna ask the dealer about the locality of it.
yep.. after your ask....i have found some pics of H.albo...god..they are similary(Only the blue....Are Not)。 I have had 2 spiceman b4...but died one...so..i only have this one.
As for the exuviaes...Yep. i could find out some...and im very happy to send them to you. (I dunno how to PM you there about the adds).

Jan Laros

02-15-2006, 02:30 PM

Hello all,

I am relatively new to the hobby of keeping and studying invertebrates, so please don't judge me when I am wrong or saying something stupid. Isn't the picture in the link below somewhat similar to the one posted by Mr. Ralph? And can it really be H. albostriatum then?

Click (http://www.e-spiderworld.com/gallery/pages/Haplopelma%20albostratum%20Laos%20Zebra%201.htm)

phormingochilus

02-15-2006, 04:31 PM

I believe it may be the same species, but I am not sure the blue in the specimen in your picture link is other than bad lighting or settings of the camera during the photo shoot as there is a distinct blue tint in the entire picture.

Regards
Søren

Hello all,

I am relatively new to the hobby of keeping and studying invertebrates, so please don't judge me when I am wrong or saying something stupid. Isn't the picture in the link below somewhat similar to the one posted by Mr. Ralph? And can it really be H. albostriatum then?

Click (http://www.e-spiderworld.com/gallery/pages/Haplopelma%20albostratum%20Laos%20Zebra%201.htm)

CharlesRieder

02-27-2006, 11:07 AM

My Cyriopagopus sp "singapore blue"
http://www.extremeexotics.ca/photos/csp01.jpg
http://www.extremeexotics.ca/photos/csp02.jpg
http://www.extremeexotics.ca/photos/csp03.jpg

Steve

03-04-2006, 05:52 PM

Hi,

one of my females.

http://www.ephebopus.com/cspecblue.jpg

Cheers

BEN-V

03-04-2006, 07:53 PM

A-MA-ZING !!:clap: :clap: :clap:

Dorian

03-05-2006, 04:47 AM

Hallo Steve,

very nicely girl you have there ! :clap: :clap:
Unfortunately, there will be in KWH no one to purchase... :(

Steve

03-05-2006, 06:06 AM

Hi Dorian,

i'm sure there will be some for sale in KWH!

btw. will post a picture from a male next week, also very amazing!

Cheers,
Steffen

Hei

03-07-2006, 09:56 PM

This is my one of my pre-molted Cyriopagopus sp. blue female http://netalbum.netvigator.com/photos/2006/04/22/c3122061521560321145670744066.JPG

After molted,
http://netalbum.netvigator.com/photos/2006/04/22/c3122061521563551145670597097.jpg

Skuromis

03-08-2006, 12:19 PM

Wooooooohooooooooo nice one ;O) How old is it, which molt?

kennfreeloader

03-08-2006, 02:35 PM

It was 6"+ before it moulted, haven't measured its new LS, will update this thread when i do

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c84/kennfreeloader/moult1.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c84/kennfreeloader/moult2.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c84/kennfreeloader/moult3.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c84/kennfreeloader/moult4.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c84/kennfreeloader/moult5.jpg
:D

Goliath

03-09-2006, 07:42 PM

My little female sp. "blue" after a fresh molt in her new tank.
Mike

Lopez

04-12-2006, 05:29 PM

Still not quite blue yet, but getting there.

MRL

05-10-2006, 04:05 PM

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/638/cspblue010vm.jpg

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/5900/cspblue022jn.jpg

xgrafcorex

05-10-2006, 04:56 PM

nice pics everyone! manny..you think you could make your pics a little larger? i can't really even tell its a sp. blue ;P i gotta get one of those some day. :drool:

Zhaoermia118

05-10-2006, 05:27 PM

so i guess its showing off time huh? Well here are mine.....;P

Cyriopagopus sp. Blue II Female
http://www.zoocon.com/Herps/Tarantulas/Cyriopagopus_sp_Blue_II_02.jpg

Cyriopagopus sp. Blue II Male
http://www.zoocon.com/Herps/Tarantulas/Cyriopagopus_sp_Blue_II_Male_01.jpg

phormingochilus

05-10-2006, 05:53 PM

I would REALLY like to hear someone coming with an educated explanation as to why someone are calling these Cyriopagopus sp. "Blue" No. 1 and No. 2?

They are caught in the same biorealm (Malaysia and Singapore being virtually the same, except for human made borders), there are absolutely NO difference neither morphologically nor colourwise - only the price ...

For me this is a sales trick to raise a descending price ...

I am tempted to go and collect some from the indonesian localities I have - just to be able to sell the exact same species as Cyriopagopus sp. "Blue" 3 and raise the price to new heights ... ;-)

Regards
Søren

GoTerps

05-10-2006, 06:31 PM

I would REALLY like to hear someone coming with an educated explanation as to why someone are calling these Cyriopagopus sp. "Blue" No. 1 and No. 2?

I'll drink to that!

I had a conversation with a particular US seller about that, and they are simply listing them as "Malaysian Blue", in order to avoid suggesting they are a different species. This seller also has them listed cheaper than the Singapore stock.

Eric

Michael Jacobi

05-10-2006, 07:02 PM

I too believe the use of the "Type II" designation is misleading and is only useful as a marketing tool for dealers to charge more [or less]. Of course, if the dealers' source is charging more than the pricing is a result of a trickle down effect and not the dealer's own fault. I appreciate the locality designation. There is something interesting of knowing the origin - source locale. But I don't believe it makes a difference as they are, to the best of my knowledge, the exact same spider. What we really need is for someone to name (i.e., describe) the spider properly so we can all refer to it as that and forget the Singapore or Malaysia (or Indonesia).

On the other hand, there are geographical differences in widespread species. A perfect example is the comparatively unattractive dull brown A. seemani from Guatemala/Nicaragua in comparison with the dark brown high-contrast striped A. seemani from Costa Rica (some of which entered the American hobby some 20 years ago when Al McKee collected his own breeding stock there). For this reason, I keep my "Malaysian" and "Singapore" blues separate and labeled as such.

Cheers, Michael

MRL

05-10-2006, 08:14 PM

Hey guys..

Just so you all know, I listed them as Cyrio sp "blue" II not for marketing ploy but because that's how I saw them refered to as and it was that or Cyrio sp "malaysia" which was an idea I saw on Arboreal T forum. I don't see them listed as that anywhere else so sorry for the confusion.

RVS

05-10-2006, 08:22 PM

GoTerps

05-10-2006, 09:07 PM

There's already a different Cyriopagopus sp. "Malaysia", although it may prove to be just a dark form of schiodtei.

It's just a locale, so there can be more than one sp. "locale here". Although coming up with a way to avoid confussion in the hobby is good.

RVS, is your above remark from having seen myself post or list sp. "Malaysia" (likely a dark color form of C. schioedtei? Just curious.

The one's I have I should just list as C. schioedtei DCF. C. schioedtei has a huge geographic range... and varies in coloration across this range, as far as I've been told. There's some discussion of these "dark" ones in this thread somewhere.

Eric

Scorpendra

05-10-2006, 09:25 PM

Steve Nunn

05-10-2006, 09:49 PM

Hi,
I'm quite sure the best way to classify these blue forms of Cyriopagopus are geographically. I have no clue whether or not type I is the same as type II, but I can say that as time rolls on, if the naming runs like this, you can expect Cyriopagopus type IIX in no time flat.

The problem will be that the geographical forms of this species are going to turn up more and more, being that the geographical range of this blue Cyriopagopus is what it is. There's no doubt that this "island hopper" will have slight morphological variation in the various geographic locales it will be found in due to extremely recent barriers now in place. Whether or not those island forms turn out to be different on a species level is another story altogether and you'll have to wait for work to be published on this species once more forms are located. Until then, go with geography as Michael mentioned, that way, once the work is complete (and I don't know who's working on them, but I could guess) you will be able to assign your spiders their correctly classified name. If you all go with "species II, III, IV", etc, you'll find it a lot more difficult to trace the origins of the spider and keep the forms or biospecies (if they exist at all) pure.

Cheers,
Steve

GoTerps

05-10-2006, 10:12 PM

on SSW, i saw a Cyrio labeled Cyriopagopus sp. "Malaysian Blue". is this the same species as "blue II", or yet another unidentified Cyrio? 'cause i'd expect fake names from dime-a-dozen petstores using marketing ploys.

Yes, they are one and the same.

What fake name? They're just saying "Maylasian Blue" to differentiate b/t the Malyasian stock and stock from Singapore... not suggesting a different species.

The sp. "Maylasia" they have listed is the likely DCF C. schioedtei I mentioned above.

Steve Nunn

05-10-2006, 10:26 PM

Hi,
SSW's use of the labelling is about as good as it could get, they stated a Malaysian blue Cyriopagopus, if all dealers could follow suit things will be easier in future for the customer. :)

Steve

Zhaoermia118

05-11-2006, 01:57 AM

oh well sorry, i'm only as educated as what the guy that sold it to me as is, and i just assumed he had this stuff together, so posted as what it was sold to me as......:?

I would REALLY like to hear someone coming with an educated explanation as to why someone are calling these Cyriopagopus sp. "Blue" No. 1 and No. 2?

They are caught in the same biorealm (Malaysia and Singapore being virtually the same, except for human made borders), there are absolutely NO difference neither morphologically nor colourwise - only the price ...

For me this is a sales trick to raise a descending price ...

I am tempted to go and collect some from the indonesian localities I have - just to be able to sell the exact same species as Cyriopagopus sp. "Blue" 3 and raise the price to new heights ... ;-)

Regards
Søren

Steve Nunn

05-11-2006, 02:38 AM

oh well sorry, i'm only as educated as what the guy that sold it to me as is, and i just assumed he had this stuff together, so posted as what it was sold to me as......:?

Hi,
I think you missunderstood the direction of my friends abruptness. You have no need to apologise for what you said at all, exactly as you mentioned, you can only reference what the seller explains to you :)

Søren, like many folk who know a little more about these spiders then most, see the irony in sellers marketing these spiders as something they perhaps are not. I think his point was directed to those people more then yourself, again, you have nothing to apologise for.

I also think it goes back further then that too, to the collectors themselves, who are keen to promote their last lucky find based on minor differences in the one specimen of the other form they have seen, which for all anyone might know, may have been a juvenile, perhaps an old specimen!

It all goes back to the taxonomy of these animals and the importance of it. Collectors or sellers are often not in a position to remotely accurately describe what they find, often there is no reference because the species is undescribed. If the collector is lucky, he/she can find a species description that accurately suits both the morphology and the collection location of the animal. Without so much as a species/genus reference (look what's happened to the blue spiders from South America ;)) then depending on the number of collectors, these animals can end up with a variety of names, most of which are completely inappropriate. On the same token different species can be labelled as the one species and interbreeds then subsequently and unknowingly enter the hobby, which will probably be infertile and risk the possible future of the species in captivity.

Know your spider!! Guesswork is dangerous in this early stage of the hobby, we have no idea how dangerous just yet, but if you go with what you know and no more then that (locale, colour and genus in this case), you're off to a good start, just don't try and get creative like some of the dealers/sellers/collectors, they could be the real killers of the hobby, without even knowing it. Nobody wants hybrids yet, too early and they can be real dangerous without serious work behind it. If you doubt any of this, look around the forums for info and posts on the genus Hysterocrates by guys like Rich Gallon, Ray Gabriel, Timo R., there's a direct result of what lack of species knowledge could do to captive animals. It's already begun :rolleyes:

Steve

RVS

05-11-2006, 02:50 AM

It's just a locale, so there can be more than one sp. "locale here". Although coming up with a way to avoid confussion in the hobby is good.

RVS, is your above remark from having seen myself post or list sp. "Malaysia" (likely a dark color form of C. schioedtei? Just curious.

The one's I have I should just list as C. schioedtei DCF. C. schioedtei has a huge geographic range... and varies in coloration across this range, as far as I've been told. There's some discussion of these "dark" ones in this thread somewhere.

Eric

I've seen it on atleast one dealer's list, and there was a thread about it on the boards a while ago.