Genus Cyriocosmus

[tarcan]

Hi everyone, just want to share some pics of my favourite species...

My personnal opinion is they beat anything as far as beauty!

I hope you like them...

First, Cyriocosmus elegans, originating from Tobago Island...

[tarcan]

Next, I am not sure if I should call them Cyriocosmus sp., but I think for now they go as Cyriocosmus elegans Venezuela...

The main difference is, as you can see, the lack of balck triangle on the prosoma...

The reason I post pic of different angles is that depending of them, the color of the heart shaped spot on the opisthosoma changes...

I just love them...

No anyone want to share pics of some C. leetzi please?

I hoped you liked the pics...

Martin

[pelo]

Very nice Martin...now if only I could get my hands on a good digital and take some pics of mine....soon...

[tarcan]

Stop spending on the spiders and buy a cam!

What am I saying... forget what I just said!LOL

[pelo]

Why do you think I don't have a digital now....maybe you could buy me one with all my money you have.. ;) .lol..I start saving for one and you come along with more exclusive/rare spiders for me...well you know the story...lol..so it's all your fault I don't own a decent digital.. ;P ....but some fine spiders to compensate though.. :D .lol..

[Guy]

C. leetzi adult female...

[FryLock]

Im still to get any Cyrio's but here's an old fav of mine that i beilieve may be now lost to the hobby Hapalotremus albipes the Bolivan white leg these are quite big can get close to 3' leg span and need low temps sorry for the pic had to scan it in she's long gone :(

[TheEternal]

I've been DYING to get some off these, but I can't find them in the US. This genus is amazing!

-Bryan

[Swifty]

I just got two slings of C. elegans :D I've been drooling over these for a long!
They even have a pattern at this size! I just love them!
Guy, I'm seriously jealous of your C. leetzi, they have got to be one of the most beautiful spiders on earth!

[tarcan]

The Eternal, Southern Spider Works had some for sale, I do not know if they still do... I have about 30 C. elegans with the triangle and 7 of the other one...

Guy, thanks for the gorgeous pic... so, is the species doomed in the hobby or not? I see people everywhere looking for males, never hearing of any breeding... well actually not completely true, I am not sure if that is true but I heard someone had an eggsac lately and the spiderlings all died because of negligeance... needless to say, if that is true, I am in the worst of moods!

FryLock, Thanks for sharing, I am looking for that species everywhere but cannot find any, nice pic... tell me, did it look like that freshly molted also?... just wondering because the picture in Peter Klaas's book (new german version) is absolutly stunning, and the one of Rick West's site also...

Swifty, good stuff! Yeah, that is what is amazing with that species, they are real treat to grow from sling because they show pattern even at 1/4" size!

Take care

Martin

[FryLock]

That one was from a pair i had from Peter i cant remember the year i got them but it was early 90's :? she was a bit tatty in that pic but the legs arnt much brighter after a moult, iv never seen them since W/C or C/B thinking back the male was never bothered but seeing as males and females were being exported at the same time giving her a temp change lower or higher for a bit then back may have got a sac who knows.

[GoTerps]

These guys are awesome... both of my C. elegans slings are growing quickly and look soooo nice!

[TheEternal]

Here's my lovely C. elegans. She's up to 1/2", now. What a beauty!

-Bryan

[tarcan]

Here is a David & Goliath comparaison!

[priZZ]

Here is a David & Goliath comparaison!

:D LOL :D Very nice! Thanks for sharing that, and good luck with hatching! I keep my fingers crossed for Ya! I've noticed You're also Martin. Everything that Martin is, is good! :D

[tarcan]

PriZZ, I am glad you like it! :)

So far so good, just a little more time...

[moricollins]

Are there tarantulas in there somewhere? Oh, wait those little black dots must be them... or is it the little yellow things :)

I definately want one of these eventually

Mori

[TheEternal]

So far so good, just a little more time...

Congrats! I hope to get one of your cuties in my collection soon :)

-Bryan

[manville]

tarcan, are you selling any of those? If you do, how much?

[tarcan]

Here is an epic battle of biblical proportion! (do not try this at home folks!)...

The T. blondi actually kicked hair at the C. elegans! {D The funniest thing ever... I tried to get the C. elegans to do a threat posture, but it was not a bit intimidated by his giant opponant!

Enjoy

Martin

Disclaimer: No T. blondi males have been injured during this photo shoot!

[delta]

nice pic, poor david {D

[David Burns]

Martin, why did you have the C.elegans and the T.blondi together? Trying a little cross breeding ;) Or is there some some degree of sacrifice that is required in breeding certain species?

[tarcan]

I just wanted to take this picture for a while...

Do not worry I was monitoring the situation very closely... but the C. elegans is so small, I do not even think that the T. blondi was noticing anything... to be honest, the reason he kicked hair was probably because of me when I was lifting the cup covering the C. elegans!

Martin

[priZZ]

Man, that's the funniest pic I ever saw!!! :D LOL

[GoTerps]

A couple fresh pics of one of my C. elegans about to have a superworm for lunch.

http://www.arachnopics.com/data/500/1269C_-elegans23446.jpg

http://www.arachnopics.com/data/500/1269C_-elegans23445.jpg

[versus]

my cute lil' baby just molted.. {D

[manville]

The superworm looks huge compared to it..

[Cigarman]

Wow. What kind of temperment do those C. Elegans have? They seem pretty nice from the looks of them. Any dealers online with em??

[tarcan]

Cigarman, they are shy and nervous animals... almost always hidden...

Female ate eggsac #3... here is eggsac #4... looking very nice, I think it is a big one...

Another female double clutched... looking forward to see if it will be any good...

Martin

[tarcan]

A few pictures of matings of tonight... and a pic of a mature male C. elegans Venezuela...

[pelo]

A few pictures of matings of tonight... and a pic of a mature male C. elegans Venezuela...

>>Great breeding attempt.By the looks of the female's abdomen you'll have a sack in no time.She's huge.I'd say within a couple weeks for sure...maybe sooner.Good luck and keep us posted.

[GoTerps]

Freshly molted ultimate male Cyriocosmus elegans.

Yes, I have a girl for him!! :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/GoTerps/46c0e942.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/GoTerps/e01e7c56.jpg

[tarcan]

More pictures... a little female C. elegans Tobago Island

And here is a C. elegans Venezuelan morph eggsac... so far so good!

[metallica]

:worship: beauties!!

[GoTerps]

I paired up my Cyriocosmus elegans this morning. The mating went very well and they staid together for quite a long time!! Here's a few pics!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/GoTerps/603664b6.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/GoTerps/7b282604.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/GoTerps/750b4895.jpg

Wish me luck!!

[Cigarman]

Wow thats a really cool! Micro-nookie. I cant imagine trying to find a screen fine enough to keep the babies in their cups. Definitely a good spider for those with little space to keep em in... :)

[GoTerps]

Wow thats a really cool! Micro-nookie. I cant imagine trying to find a screen fine enough to keep the babies in their cups. Definitely a good spider for those with little space to keep em in...

Yes they are small, but they are incredible feeders!! Some of the most intense feeders I've ever seen!

I really hope to get a sac!

[HW Auer]

Hmmm.;-)
http://www.arcor.de/palb/alben/61/910361/1280_3932366566633538.jpg

http://www.arcor.de/palb/alben/61/910361/1280_3766353635393937.jpg

http://www.arcor.de/palb/alben/61/910361/1280_3265373863613037.jpg

http://www.arcor.de/palb/alben/61/910361/1280_3062663136316265.jpg

Best regards

HW

[GoTerps]

I just checked in on my female C. elegans that I bred about 2 months ago (See the pics a few posts back). She's completly sealed herself off but I was able to shine a light from underneath her enclosure and there is an eggsac!!!

This is the first eggsac in U.S. I believe. There's no way to get pics at this point without disturbing her too much, but I'll take them when I get the chance.

The mature male has been down in Florida with Bryan (TheEternal) for the past month with his female. Hopefully that will be fruitful as well.

[TheEternal]

The mature male has been down in Florida with Bryan (TheEternal) for the past month with his female. Hopefully that will be fruitful as well.

Unfortunately, no such luck with me. Ten attempts tried. My female is showing no interest in him. :( He's *SO* eager, too!

I'm going to try a few more times, but I'm starting to feel it's not going to happen.

-Bryan

[Jasonic]

I just checked in on my female C. elegans that I bred about 2 months ago (See the pics a few posts back). She's completly sealed herself off but I was able to shine a light from underneath her enclosure and there is an eggsac!!!

This is the first eggsac in U.S. I believe. There's no way to get pics at this point without disturbing her too much, but I'll take them when I get the chance.

The mature male has been down in Florida with Bryan (TheEternal) for the past month with his female. Hopefully that will be fruitful as well.


GoTerps,

I just purchased a what i could guess is a "sub adult", elegens (sure of the sp.) from my good pal Chris at Krazy8's. He mentioned you were the man with the info on these little gems. My little guy/girl measures in at around 3/4" at the moment. Any idea when/at what size these guys mature? It seems too small to sex effectively atm, got any pointers in this department? Also, at what size will it become a he, if its a he, anyone know? Also, how big do they get..and could mine be a mature female at this size already?? If so, can I borrow the male after Bryan is finished with him? Sorry for the barrage of questions, but theres almost no info on these little guys out there. LOL, can you tell I'm hooked.

Also, please count me in for a few spiderlings when they are ready:) I'd love to have more of these guys. She/He took down a cricket nearly the same size as himself tonight, and is still working on it (though its dissapearing quickly). One of the most energetic feders I've ever seen. I'd love to get my hands on a Leetzi as well, any leads???

Amazing spider, I'd love to find/make more if possible! :)

Looking foreward to hearing/reading more!

many thanks,

-jasonic


PS: GoTerps, please pm me if you have a moment. I'd love to get my hands on more detailed care requirements, and species information. Of course I'm also very interested in these and or any other Cyriocosmus sp. you may have for sale/trade. I'm becoming a dwarf freak over here...lol, thanks again.

[GoTerps]

He mentioned you were the man with the info on these little gems. My little guy/girl measures in at around 3/4" at the moment. Any idea when/at what size these guys mature? It seems too small to sex effectively atm, got any pointers in this department? Also, at what size will it become a he, if its a he, anyone know? Also, how big do they get..and could mine be a mature female at this size already?? If so, can I borrow the male after Bryan is finished with him? Sorry for the barrage of questions, but theres almost no info on these little guys out there. LOL, can you tell I'm hooked.

Glad you purchased one of these gems!!
I'd also suggest you contact Tarcan and Pelo about this species as well.

At 3/4" your girl still has growing to do. My girl is ~1.5" at the moment and the male is slightly greater in legspan. I doubt she was full grown at the time of mating. You can see a picture of my mature male next to a penny in this thread.

As far as sexing goes... when mine molted at around the 1" mark I took both exuvia and examined them under a microscope.

As far as loaning my male goes... you don't know the sex of yours yet, so that's step 1! lol. Also, if it does turn out to be a female I think she would need another molt or 2, but who knows when they are actually "mature".


She/He took down a cricket nearly the same size as himself tonight
Pound for pound the most amazing feeders in my collection!

[TheEternal]

Pound for pound the most amazing feeders in my collection!

I have to second that.

-Bryan

[tarcan]

Here is a picture of a Cyriocosmus sp. Bolivia... I had those for a little while... but they are still very small... even if the 2 nd instars are bigger then their cousins C. elegans, they were still too small for my digi cam...

I will post more pictures as they grow as the colors are still hard to see on this pic... what is amazing is the continuation of the color of the prosoma all the way to the middle of the femurs... very nice!

[moricollins]

oooh, another very pretty dwarf species. Very nice Martin :) I'm Green with envy right now

[Michael.NEGRINI]

some pictures of Cyriocosmus sp. Venezuela :
females :
http://theraphosidae.free.fr/photo/Cyriocosmus_sp_venezuela_fem1.JPG
http://theraphosidae.free.fr/photo/Cyriocosmus_sp_venezuela_fem2.JPG
http://theraphosidae.free.fr/photo/Cyrio_sp_venezuela1.jpg

male :
http://theraphosidae.free.fr/photo/Cyriocosmus_sp_venezuela_male.JPG

and the result :
http://theraphosidae.free.fr/photo/Cyriocosmus_sp_venezuela_eggsac.JPG

Enjoy :D

Anybody with a C. leetzi male ? My older female is dead at 6 y.o., I have one left it would be a pity if she dies before giving birth to a new generation...

Best regards, Michael

[DocSpider]

Cyriocosmus chicoi from Brazil, Rondônia state.

http://www.flogao.com.br/saymonaracnologo/foto/31/7773590

[TheEternal]

Cyriocosmus chicoi from Brazil, Rondônia state.

http://www.flogao.com.br/saymonaracnologo/foto/31/7773590

Where did you get her? I've been trying to find this species for years.

[MikeW]

Wow, these are really great looking T's. I want one now!

[metallica]

adult male elegans

[Tescos]

Hey Eddy , he is quite big for a male of this species from what I have seen. :p
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/tescos/Tarantulas/largemaleC.jpg

[tarcan]

Eric, how is your eggsac doing? It should have hatched a while ago if it was good?

Three more good eggsacs from C. elegans...

These were really "fast" produced! Mated on the 21st of August, eggsacs on the 4th of Septemeber (when I found them)... "nymph 1" (I am not sure what is the correct term) on September 23rd...

Martin

[GoTerps]

Eric, how is your eggsac doing? It should have hatched a while ago if it was good?

Martin, I hate to even talk about it, b/c every time I think about it my head feels like it's going to explode!

I had left the enclosure in a dark spot, totally undisturbed for ~1-week. When I did check on her I found her DEAD, still on top of the eggsac!! The eggs had begun to mold, and while I believe they were good, I lost them.

It leaves a lot of questions in my head... did mating or the production of the eggsac cause some sort of internal damage to the female? Did they eggs only start to go bad once there was a dead female on top of the sac?

Externally, there was nothing wrong with the female and I examined her closely under a scope. UGH!

Since then I've had another male mature... so now I have 2 mature males, no female, and not a single person in the U.S. (at least that I've found) to send them to.

Just pretty much sucks all the way around.

Anyway, congrats on your success! I hope to get another group of these to raise soon.

[tarcan]

Damn, that is a horror story and weird indeed, I am really sorry to hear... talk about being extremely unlucky... the good news is that they grow fast as you know and breed like rats... you should be back on track in no time next year!

[GoTerps]

Damn, that is a horror story and weird indeed, I am really sorry to hear... talk about being extremely unlucky... the good news is that they grow fast as you know and breed like rats... you should be back on track in no time next year!

Yeah it was unlucky to say the least.

But on the upside I did find someone to give a male to... and am raising up more little ones.

Here's one of the little fellas I have now:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/GoTerps/1baca72c.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/GoTerps/c0c8b773.jpg

[tarcan]

Eric,

I just sent some more specimens to Jason & Joel this week, I was also talking to Jason and he suspected he had a female of these, you might want to try to talk to him as well there is nothing to loose!

Martin

[GoTerps]

Eric,
I just sent some more specimens to Jason & Joel this week, I was also talking to Jason and he suspected he had a female of these, you might want to try to talk to him as well there is nothing to loose!

Martin


Thanks Martin, that's were the male went ;) I sent him home with Joel yesterday.

Joel and I had lunch yesterday, when he was in town picking up your package. Got to see all the goodies inside, and am raising a few myself :)

[tarcan]

Joel and I had lunch yesterday, when he was in town picking up your package. Got to see all the goodies inside, and am raising a few myself :)

Nice, that means the box arrived fine! :p Those were already of good size, so it is a good start at least! Good luck with them, I am happy they are in a good home!

[Elmolax]

wow, these have to be one of the most magnificent sp. Ive ever seen!!!
What's the price tag on these?

[tarcan]

C. elegans 1st instar, graduation is 1/8"... tiny little guys!

[tarcan]

Just finished seperating those 3 eggsacs... total of 419 babies, 9 dead... and I just found 3 new eggsacs with my other females!! C. elegans anyone??

Here is a pic of a second instar, measuring is in inches

[moricollins]

Just finished seperating those 3 eggsacs... total of 419 babies, 9 dead... and I just found 3 new eggsacs with my other females!! C. elegans anyone??




AWESOME Martin :), if you're giving them away I'll take a whole egg sack of your hands :), but seriously, congratulations, you've done good work with this species.


Mori

[Tescos]

Just finished seperating those 3 eggsacs... total of 419 babies, 9 dead... and I just found 3 new eggsacs with my other females!! C. elegans anyone??

Here is a pic of a second instar, measuring is in inches

That is dam good going, I'm well impressed. Your going to have to tell me your secret at KWH cause I'm having no luck at the mo with mine. :wall:

[The Red Queen]

Just for the record, I was the one who separated the eggs sacs! Martin was at work. And I have to say, you have not experienced Hell until you spent half the day separating 3 C. elegans egg sacs! :wall:

[tarcan]

Just for the record, I was the one who separated the eggs sacs! Martin was at work. And I have to say, you have not experienced Hell until you spent half the day separating 3 C. elegans egg sacs! :wall:

And you shall seperate the next three ones as well my dear! :eek:

Hey, no fair, I helped you with the last 60 of the third eggsac, I deserve credit here! {D

No problem Chris, although I do not think there are any secrets. I have some females that absolutly refuse to mate and are really agressive with the males!

See ya in a week or so!

Martin

[The Red Queen]

And you shall seperate the next three ones as well my dear! :eek:



Not unless you want to sleep on the couch! :D

(Can anyone tell we are married?)

[Cooper]

Hahahaha nah, its not obvious at all ;)

[T.Raab]

Hi,

Just for the record, I was the one who separated the eggs sacs! Martin was at work.

Why are those statements not strange to me? ;) ... I think my GF is not so unalike you. *he he*

@Martin: What would we do without ouer beloved GF?

... see ya on next friday ...

[Juraviel]

omg, You will be have small cyriocosmus beautyfull spiderlings, congrat's ;) Impressive...

[Tarantula]

Im pround that I can post pics in this thread now! {D

C. elegans spiderling:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a11/MetalDragon_boy_/Cyriocosmuselegans01.jpg

[tarcan]

another one, getting a little bit bigger!

[cocopuff]

Right after a molt, took that pic a while ago.

[moricollins]

Here's a couple pictures of one of my spiderlings of Cyriocosmus elegans:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/moricollins/Cyriocosmus/celegans2Small.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/moricollins/Cyriocosmus/celegansSmall.jpg

Mori

[David Burns]

I love these little ones. They eat lots and grow fast. If you let them they will run fast too.:) I have mated my two females and one sac has been produced. The other female has sealed herself in, making futher matings difficult. But she may yield a sac soon. They breed like bunnies.

[brigebane]

Still havn't aquired any of these beauties *sigh* thanks for sharing, everyone :)

[tarcan]

opened two of the three other eggsacs yesterday and they are good... here are some pics

[Hedorah99]

:clap: Congrats Tarcan. Must be hard opening an egg sac that small.

[tarcan]

:clap: Congrats Tarcan. Must be hard opening an egg sac that small.

thanks... as long as you have small scissors but yes, I am always affraid to injure of few babies when I do it.

[moricollins]

soon you're going to have to start giving those away, Martin. :) I guess that's what happens when you've had what, 5 successful sacks in the last 3 weeks?


Mori

[The Red Queen]

And guess who gets to separate them... AGAIN! :(

[tarcan]

soon you're going to have to start giving those away, Martin. :) I guess that's what happens when you've had what, 5 successful sacks in the last 3 weeks?


Mori

Mori, all the other 3 eggsacs are gone already... no free C. elegans soon I am affraid ;)

[BakuBak]

how small are they ?? :]

[brachy]

I once saw babyes, they are 2-4mm big. The cocon that big as 1eur or smaller.

[brigebane]

Just aquired my first C. elegans (Tobogo) today. I'm very excited.

Tarcan or Eric, what do you suppose is best to feed 2nd to 3rd instars of these spiders? I have been crushing pinheads and offering them. It seems to work.

[GoTerps]

Tarcan or Eric, what do you suppose is best to feed 2nd to 3rd instars of these spiders? I have been crushing pinheads and offering them. It seems to work.

LOL, I have actually used live early instar superworms to feed early instar C. elegans. Of course, if you don't breed Zophobas that is not an option.

Luckily, while starting out very small, C. elegans are intense feeders IME.

If crushing pinheads is working then go with it! You'll find that very soon you won't have to be crushing them anymore :)

[moricollins]

you can also feed them pre-killed regular sized crickets or cut up mealworms, I have used it very successfully to fatten up my slings of this species :)

[brigebane]

LOL, I have actually used live early instar superworms to feed early instar C. elegans. Of course, if you don't breed Zophobas that is not an option.

Luckily, while starting out very small, C. elegans are intense feeders IME.

If crushing pinheads is working then go with it! You'll find that very soon you won't have to be crushing them anymore :)
heh, he or she ingulfed a live pinhead earlier and backed off. After I killed a few however they dissappeared over night. I appreciate the feedback.
Jamison

[HW Auer]

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/61/910361/1280_3330663837636462.jpg

[tarcan]

Very nice animal Hans Werner!

You guys want to see something wierd??

I "have created" a mutant C. elegans...

Here is a specimen I found in an eggsac I have produced...

It has a non-semetrical abdomen pattern and a tiny second "patch"...

Here are the pictures!

Martin

[Bearo]

tarcan>> nice :)
It's the result of a siames (conjoined twin, spelling? :P).. I'v seen it with P. irminia, P. regalis and so on.. but never with this spec., so its not genetical

[tarcan]

tarcan>> nice :)
It's the result of a siames (conjoined twin, spelling? :P).. I'v seen it with P. irminia, P. regalis and so on.. but never with this spec., so its not genetical

can you give more details and info please, any articles already published on that that you could point me to?

Do you have pictures of the other species showing these? P. irminia and P. regalis???

Thanks for your help

Martin

[GoTerps]

Playing Dr. Frankenstein are you Martin?:) JK
Thanks for sharing the pic.

can you give more details and info please, any articles already published on that that you could point me to?


I believe Ray Gabriel is going to have an arictle on this in relation to P. regalis in an upcoming BTS Journal... at least I think that's what I remember hearing.

[becca81]

Wonderful photos!!

I only own one of this genus - a tiny C. elegans. I apologize for the horrible photo - it molted not too long after this picture and I haven't caught it out of its burrow since. I think I'm now beginning to see a little bit of coloration on the carapace (it's about 0.25" after the most recent molt) - I can't wait until it gets "big." :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/beccamillott/Cyriocosmus%20elegans/P1040164.jpg

[tarcan]

Playing Dr. Frankenstein are you Martin?:) JK
Thanks for sharing the pic.



I believe Ray Gabriel is going to have an arictle on this in relation to P. regalis in an upcoming BTS Journal... at least I think that's what I remember hearing.

Thanks Eric, Ray had mentionned it to me... I am looking forward to the article.

I just wonder since Bearo is sure it is non-genetic, I would like to know more and see the studies that have been published on that already.

Thanks

Martin

[Bearo]

can you give more details and info please, any articles already published on that that you could point me to?

Do you have pictures of the other species showing these? P. irminia and P. regalis???

Thanks for your help

Martin
Hi..
Sorry, no article that I know of..
On this site you can see a P. regalis with the same thing (Picture / specimen owned by Phalagorn)
http://www.minaxtarantulas.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1163&highlight=tvilling
I can't find the P. irminia :( but it was really cool :P I think it's posted here on arachnoboards also.. in that case by aftershock
the yellow stripes on the abdomen were placed like this:
- - -
- - -
- - -
kinda :P
I'm gonna keep checking for info and the pic of the irminia, I'll PM you if I find something

Edit: found it :)
http://www.minaxtarantulas.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2067

[moricollins]

Here's a postmoult C. elegans (moulted out this large bummed;) )

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/moricollins/Cyriocosmus/DSCF0554Small.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/moricollins/Cyriocosmus/DSCF0555Small.jpg


Mori

[tarcan]

Bearo, thanks for the links!

Nice one Mori... getting there...

Here is a pic of a small female...

[moricollins]

Martin, what species is that?

Very nice picture.
Mori

[tarcan]

found another mutant today!:p

This one is less "extreme" then the other one, but still interesting...

It appears to have a smaller patch then usual, I have put the picture beside a "normal" spécimen of the same eggsac...

enjoy

Martin

[tarcan]

Passed C. elegans max. size now... and those giants are still growing!

[tarcan]

New pictures of my first mutant... it is a female, I am quite happy as I will get to keep that odd ball for a longer period of time:D

[GoTerps]

Cyriocosmus sp. "Bolivia"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/GoTerps/fbb554be.jpg

Eric

[BooYaKa]

Cyriocosmus elegans:
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/687/pict0092pm2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/2554/pict0093rv8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Cyriocosmus sp. Bolivia:
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/5136/pict0097rp5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4800/pict0099pn2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Texas Blonde]

Some pics of my elegans with prey. I feed them mortally wounded Tenebrio obscurus, and they do great. It takes about one worm a week to keep them nice and fat.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/TexasBlonde/Tarantulas/Cyriocosmus/elegans/IMG_2763.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/TexasBlonde/Tarantulas/Cyriocosmus/elegans/IMG_2761.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/TexasBlonde/Tarantulas/Cyriocosmus/elegans/IMG_2759.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/TexasBlonde/Tarantulas/Cyriocosmus/elegans/IMG_2767.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/TexasBlonde/Tarantulas/Cyriocosmus/elegans/IMG_0178.jpg

[tarcan]

Well, here is another C. elegans eggsac. This one is quite important for me as it was bred with specimens we collected in Trinidad... new blood... as far as I know all what is in the hobby currently is bred from a few specimens collected on Tobago only...

[Pyst]

tarcan congrats! impressive as always. hope things all go well.

-Mike

[Texas Blonde]

Quite wonderful. I have two bloodlines already, and I hope to be looking for that one soon. Keep up the fantastic work!

[tarcan]

Thanks everyone...

Texas Blonde... I think in your case "bloodlines" might be an illusion... unless there have been other imports that I am not aware of... everything in the hobby has been bred from 7 (if I remember right) specimens collected in Tobago... and I am not sure those 7 specimens collected "participated" in the gene pool or not... also information on the breedings (which females with which males) have not been made public and have not followed with the offsprings, so even myself, my original specimens I do not know which of the 7 original specimens they originate from... and even though I produced over 15 eggsacs so far, they are all somehow closely related...

There have been some commercial exports from Trinidad, so maybe there were some new specimens in those, I just do not know it...

This species apparently was very common in the hobby about ten years ago, but they vanished just like C. leetzi did recently (C. leetzi was introduced with only 2 or 3 specimens collected)... I suspect that this genus might be more affected by inbreeding then other theraphosids, but I have no proof to that, just facts that leads me to believe so...

But also the fact that the females do not live long, they have a reduced sexual fertility period compared to other species of other genus, so if hobbyists do not replenish constantly their stock of females (which is a bit of an odd concept for the theraphosid hobby) they will end up with old females that will refuse the males or will not produce eggs and I predict we will be again in the same situation of a common species vanishing again. I recently find that even my "older" (a bit more the 3 years, so not that old) females are already getting more difficult to breed this year. I had 2 males munched agressively this summer which never happened to me before.

All the best

Martin

[Texas Blonde]

Martin, I should have been more specific. I have spiders from two different batches. Both from your sacs, actually. They came labled B2 and B1. Maybe I assumed they are two different batches?

/Sky

[tarcan]

Yes, that is correct, I just labelled as such to differenciate the two eggsac for the importer. But they are definitly related somehow, possibly same father, I would need to check it up if I have it somewhere. Unfortunatly, these batches were during me movind and Amanda was not here at that time so my notes were not very well taken... fortunatly we are doing much better now!

All the best

Martin

[Texas Blonde]

Is it possible that you could provide me with some family history?. I like to keep fairly in depth notes on each of my spiders. If what you suggested is true, and inbreeding has a strong affect on this species, then any and all family information would likely come in handy in US breeding attempts.

/Sky

[T.Raab]

Well, here is another C. elegans eggsac. This one is quite important for me as it was bred with specimens we collected in Trinidad... new blood... as far as I know all what is in the hobby currently is bred from a few specimens collected on Tobago only...

Hi Martin,

great stuff. :) .. congrats !!!

[tarcan]

Here is a comparaison of size between a mature male C. elegans and a mature male C. sp. Bolivia...

[Lorgakor]

Awesome picture Martin! I wasn't aware that there was such a big difference between the two.

[tarcan]

Here is a tricky picture to get... insertion of C. elegans!

[urs]

Cool!:clap:
And congrats on succesuful breeding!

Best regards Uros

[Tarantula]

Cool!! I bought myself three sub-adults and 5 slings of C. elegans in Hamm last Saturday. I hope all the sub.adults are females so I have the slings to get males from! :D

[tarcan]

Good luck with yours Nicklas,

My other mutant is growing a bit, the one with the small patch... here is a picture of the specimen compared to another one of the same eggsac...

Martin

[Tarantula]

Looks like the three sub-adults are female after all. :)

[Arachnophilist]

Martin, is this "mutant" from the batch of 1/6" (tobago) s'lings you are selling right now?

[Tarantula]

One of my "females"

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a324/MetalDragon_boy/650cbb04.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a324/MetalDragon_boy/650cbb04-1.jpg

[tarcan]

Martin, is this "mutant" from the batch of 1/6" (tobago) s'lings you are selling right now?

No, the ones for sale are from a different eggsac...

Nice girl that you have there Niklas, congrats

Martin

[MindUtopia]

What's the trick to sexing these guys other than just having a really high powered maginifier? Any particular distinguishing characteristics I should be looking for either on an exuvium or ventrally? And at what size does it usually become possible to sex females? I have 5 of these guys ranging from 1/4" to 1/2" and I'm not even sure where to start with something this tiny! :o

[Lorgakor]

I'm wondering the same thing MindUtopia! They are so small, I just don't know how I'm going to sex mine. Mine is 1" now. I'm wondering at what size males usually mature. At least then I'll know if it passes that size it will be female!:D

[tarcan]

I sex them with the molt and the microscope. At 1" legspan, the spermatheca is extremely well developped, it is easy to spot because it has such a unique shape (for lack of finding proper comparison in english, it is shaped a bit like a pig tail or a cork screw). The only tricky thing might be to properly unfold the part of the abdomen to view the area. I use thin needles to do that and do it under the microscope.

Watch out for the "it is quite big it must be a female" technique, because you could be really surprised. Mature males vary a bit in size. My first one ever was tiny and I believed they would all be that size. I thought I had loads of females... was surprised to find several other males later on in time:rolleyes:

Martin

[tarcan]

Laura, if you got it's last molt and want to send it over, I can have a look if you wish.

[Lorgakor]

Hi Martin,
The moult is still in the burrow, I could retreive it but it would be very dried out. Would you still be able to work with it?
Otherwise I'm pretty patient, I could wait until it moults again and send you that one.
Thanks for the offer!
Cheers,
Laura

[tarcan]

Laura,

even if it is complet.y dry it is not a problem. Water with dish washing soap works miracles!

Martin

[Arachnophilist]

ooh how does the water with soap work?? i would like to know how to revive some of mine if possible. i heard oil works but it just made them all mush..

[tarcan]

well, I just use it to soften the molt and once I have sexed the animal, I throw it away! If you soak it with that and dry it, it will not be really pretty afterwards, so maybe not that good for what you want to do (I presume just place the molt in a nice position and keep it?).

[moricollins]

Watch out for the "it is quite big it must be a female" technique, because you could be really surprised. Mature males vary a bit in size. My first one ever was tiny and I believed they would all be that size. I thought I had loads of females... was surprised to find several other males later on in time:rolleyes:

Martin


My two mature males were quite large in comparison to what I was expecting, and to the size of some of the females martin has produced sacks with I believe..... could always be wrong.

[tarcan]

Was board tonight and dug up some old pictures that I think I never posted...

Comparison shot between a 1st instar and a 2nd instar...

And C. elegans female, dorsal and ventral view

Martin

[MindUtopia]

Martin,

In the earlier pic comparing the C. elegans and the sp. Bolivia males? What's the scale? How big were each in that pic?

[tarcan]

yes, now that I realise the picture only makes sense if you have already seen a mature male C. elegans.

Here is a pic of one with measurement. Then you can guess for the other species.

Martin

[Tescos]

I sex them with the molt and the microscope. At 1" legspan, the spermatheca is extremely well developped, it is easy to spot because it has such a unique shape (for lack of finding proper comparison in english, it is shaped a bit like a pig tail or a cork screw). The only tricky thing might be to properly unfold the part of the abdomen to view the area. I use thin needles to do that and do it under the microscope.

Watch out for the "it is quite big it must be a female" technique, because you could be really surprised. Mature males vary a bit in size. My first one ever was tiny and I believed they would all be that size. I thought I had loads of females... was surprised to find several other males later on in time:rolleyes:

Martin

Hi Martin

Here is a pic of those `pig tails´for you.:)
Cyriocosmus elegans spermatheca (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/the.tarantula.store/spermgal-Cyriocosmus.htm)
The largest male I had was 4cm leg span. Have you seen larger?
Oh and don't forget that your adding another elegans to your group when you come over to KWH so get the larger of your terrariums ready.{D

All the best
Chris

[Taceas]

I find these little guys to be quite fascinating. But I have one and I'm sure its extremely basic and dumb question...how can these be considered Theraphosid when we have native spiders that are much larger. What is the requirement to be considered a "tarantula", if size clearly isn't it. ;)

I really love the pronounced shiny patch on their rumps, they are very unique looking...

[Arachnophilist]

It is because of the family of spiders they belong to and where on the evolutionary scale they fit in.. Theraphosids are one of 15 major families of tarantula. they are primitive spiders. if you have more questions PM me.

[tarcan]

Hi Martin

Here is a pic of those `pig tails´for you.:)
Cyriocosmus elegans spermatheca (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/the.tarantula.store/spermgal-Cyriocosmus.htm)
The largest male I had was 4cm leg span. Have you seen larger?
Oh and don't forget that your adding another elegans to your group when you come over to KWH so get the larger of your terrariums ready.{D

All the best
Chris

Chris,

This pretty as big as I ever saw any. Thanks for the picture link...

I had forgotten about that one, I have a 55 gallon tank ready for her! LOL

See you in a few weeks

Martin

[tarcan]

Here is a little guy who will grow up to be a cutie... right now a bit too small to show any kind of distinguising pattern...

spiderling of Cyriocosmus sp. "leetzi" Venezuela

Martin

[becca81]

Cyriocosmus sp. "Bolivia"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/beccamillott/Tarantulas/Cyriocosmus/Bolivia/newspiders199copySmall.jpg

[MindUtopia]

A not so terrific shot of one of my 5 C. elegans

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n317/mindutopia/Elegans.jpg

[JOYride]

This is my mature male C.elegans.
Just for info, he matured in less than a year.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/JOYride01/Pajki/IMG_4347.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/JOYride01/Pajki/IMG_4339.jpg

[GoTerps]

Cyriocosmus sp. "Bolivia"

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/GoTerps/cyriocosmus-bolivia2.jpg

Eric

[TheNatural]

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/1051/cchicoi091106at9.jpg

[TheNatural]

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/9501/cchicoitube091106cl0.jpg

[TheNatural]

pre molt

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/1508/cchicoi290806jg6.jpg

[tarcan]

Thanks for those! Amazing animal :worship: :worship:

[Pyst]

TheNatural what a great looking spider. Thanks for the pictures!

tarcan are these available in North America at all? If not, any ideas when or if they might be ? I would love to get some of these.

-Mike

[tarcan]

tarcan are these available in North America at all? If not, any ideas when or if they might be ? I would love to get some of these.
-Mike

Mike, unfortunatly I am affraid I have no answers to your questions as I have absolutly no clue.

Martin

[Pyst]

Thanks for the reply Martin. I'll keep looking. I'd really like to add some of these to my collection.

-Mike

[Scorp guy]

nice pics thenatural, as well as the rest of you :drool:

So...How many molts do these guys take to get matured? do they grow like 1/4" each molt?

[moricollins]

Cyriocosmus sp "bolivia" spiderling (about 1/4")

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/moricollins/Cyriocosmus/bolivia/DSCF2482.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/moricollins/Cyriocosmus/bolivia/DSCF2480.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/moricollins/Cyriocosmus/bolivia/DSCF2481colour.jpg

[moricollins]

C. leetzi "venezuela" 1/8" sling

http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=1449

http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=1450

Mori

[HW Auer]

Cyriocosmus bertae - Peru

[tarcan]

Very nice animal Hans Werner!!

Here is an eggsac of Cyriocosmus sp. Bolivia... looks like there is a ton of babies in there :p

Martin

[xgrafcorex]

congrats! looks like lots of tiny babies. :D

i can't imagine how small they must be.

[tarcan]

They are not as small as C. elegans, but nevertheless, not giants for sure!

[SOAD]

Maybe C.bertae? But those are from east Brazil, very far from Peru.
What do you think Hans?
Juveniles (3cm LS)
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/5175/00128mb0.jpg
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6742/00134pt7.jpg
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/2756/00104iv7.jpg

[HW Auer]

Maybe C.bertae? But those are from east Brazil, very far from Peru.
What do you think Hans?

Regarding to the revision of Bertani et al in 2005 C. bertae is found near Rio Branco - very west in Brazil and very close to the border of Peru.;-)

Regards

HW

[SOAD]

Thanks for the info. My ones look like C.bertae but they were caught in east Brazil. Do you think that they can occur here in east Brazil too?
Do you have a couple?
What is the size of yours?
Sorry for that so many questions but abyone else know much about this sp.

Regards

Jonas

PS: I sent those pictures to Mr. Bertani. He said that this sp may be a sp described many years ago by a guy form Germany and that he is tryng to get a picture os the holotype(or paratype, I don't understand this names). But he didn't confirmed that this is a Cyriocosmus sp. I'm more confused than never.

[HW Auer]

Hi Jonas,

Thanks for the info. My ones look like C.bertae but they were caught in east Brazil. Do you think that they can occur here in east Brazil too?

I really don´t know but it´s very unlikely.

Do you have a couple?

Only 2 but I hope to get more soon - we will see.;-)

What is the size of yours?

One is 1,5cm and the other 2cm body.

PS: I sent those pictures to Mr. Bertani. He said that this sp may be a sp described many years ago by a guy form Germany and that he is tryng to get a picture os the holotype(or paratype, I don't understand this names). But he didn't confirmed that this is a Cyriocosmus sp. I'm more confused than never.

You send your pictures to Mr. Bertani, or mine?
However, please check this picture too: http://www.birdspiders.com/archive/15B0331CKD0B7KAEC2K14E745822B5EC1DB.html


Regards

HW

[SOAD]

I sent my pictures. I will try to talk to him again. If i get more infos from him i will post them here.
C.bertae is very uncommon/rare in the hobby, isn't it?
Thanks for the help Hans!

Regards

Jonas

[tarcan]

Ah well, another Cyriocosmus sp. Bolivia eggsac...

[moricollins]

Lovely, Martin, you seem to have great success with Cyriocosmus species.



Mori

[tarcan]

Well, they breed like rats... time to start communal experiments since there are like 5 people in North America who seem to like those!

[Arachnophilist]

I want big communal spider tanks! lol

[Lorgakor]

So does that mean that the sp. Bolivia will be $25 now too?:p :D
Congrats on the babies!:)

[moricollins]

sp. "bolivia" , about 3/4" and pretty freshly molted:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/moricollins/Cyriocosmus/bolivia/DSCF2775small.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/moricollins/Cyriocosmus/bolivia/DSCF2776small.jpg

Edit:

Well, they breed like rats... time to start communal experiments since there are like 5 people in North America who seem to like those!

Martin, you can always send some my way for safe keeping :) :D

[tarcan]

So does that mean that the sp. Bolivia will be $25 now too?:p :D
Congrats on the babies!:)


Is that the price you want them to be? Sure, why not... but they have to make it to 2nd instar first, if all goes well your wish may come true... but then you have to buy some:wicked:

Martin

[Lorgakor]

Well hey if I get to set the price then I want them to be............ just kidding!:D;)

Yes I had planned to get some this year, I really like this species. I love how the orange colour continues on into the legs, very neat!

Great pictures Mori, that is such a cute little one!:)

[TheDarkness]

Hi

this is my two specimens of this sp.

they have different colors, I don't have idea, if they will be female and male, or one is adult and the other is juvenile... or is in really color morph...

the first sp. have 4cm
http://natocadaaranha.wordpress.com/files/2007/01/cyriocosmus_chicoi_1_001.jpg

the second sp. have 6cm
http://natocadaaranha.wordpress.com/files/2007/02/dsc02643.JPG

[Ms. Peaches]

Love the pics. My collection has depleted to zero T's but once I am settled and start to rebuild I will have to pick up some of these...all are very pretty.

[SOAD]

As I said the first one is a subadult male or female and the second one is a mature female.

Num confia nas minha info não eh seu porra?

[TheDarkness]

As I said the first one is a subadult male or female and the second one is a mature female.

Num confia nas minha info não eh seu porra?

the time will show us...

"vamo vé né?"

[GoTerps]

Can you please post ventral shots as well?

Eric

[TheDarkness]

Hi Eric

I will try, but not easy job...

this sp are smaller and have speed of light... and does not like photo :D

[TheNatural]

Can you please post ventral shots as well?

Eric

Hi Eric, I guess this is the same specie:

Cyriocosmus chicoi

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/8836/cchicoi290806ig6.jpg

[TheNatural]

and here is the best ventral pic I could get..

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/263/cchicoi151006vr1.jpg

[TheDarkness]

thank you natural

this angle is not easy to adquire.... :D

all are in a good borrow at now... I think can be molt...

Bye

[TheDarkness]

Not molted... she put eggsac!!

see pics...

http://natocadaaranha.byethost12.com/chicoi/slides/DSC03117.JPG

http://natocadaaranha.byethost12.com/chicoi/slides/DSC03118.JPG

http://natocadaaranha.byethost12.com/chicoi/slides/DSC03119.JPG

http://natocadaaranha.byethost12.com/chicoi/slides/DSC03122.JPG

[TRON]

Grande TheDarkness. Awesome pictures!!! :clap: Congratulations man!!

[tarcan]

Congratulations on the babies, very nice.

Martin

[· Müh ·]

Wooow man, I can't belive it... congratulations... :D

''Vc eh um arrombado iuHAEUIhaeiaEH''... good luck...

Muh

[TheNatural]

congrats man, thats pretty cool!!!

[moricollins]

Cyriocosmus sp "leetzi / Venezuela" :


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/moricollins/Cyriocosmus/leetzi%20venezuela/DSCF3072.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/moricollins/Cyriocosmus/leetzi%20venezuela/DSCF3078.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/moricollins/Cyriocosmus/leetzi%20venezuela/DSCF3079.jpg

[GoTerps]

Cyriocosmus elegans w/ eggsac

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/GoTerps/C-6.jpg

Eric

[moricollins]

Cyriocosmus elegans w/ eggsac


Eric

Very nice Eric, now if only my mated female would follow suit :mad:

Mori

[patotxiki]

Cyriocosmus elegans female.Greetings.

[tarcan]

Congrats on the sac Eric...

Mori, your female is lazy!

Got these in last week, been waiting for years to have some of my own, ever since I set my eyes on the first picture I saw in Jean-Michel's book... I am a happy boy!

Spiderling of Cyriocosmus leetzi, the real deal from Colombia

Martin

[AlainL]

Congrats on the sac Eric...

Mori, your female is lazy!

Got these in last week, been waiting for years to have some of my own, ever since I set my eyes on the first picture I saw in Jean-Michel's book... I am a happy boy!

Spiderling of Cyriocosmus leetzi, the real deal from Colombia

Martin

Salut Martin!

Wow, this one is beautiful.

[Plievis]

Cyriocosmus elegans (Simon, 1889)

http://img.fotoupload.org/img1/845d76f11ad7ab434434a99ea8da8eb0.jpg

Cheers
Thomas

[Apophis]

WOW, that's a great first post!! Awesome picture! Welcome to the boards!

[moricollins]

2 Mature male C. elegans

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/moricollins/Cyriocosmus/DSCF3286small.jpg

Notice the huge difference in size

[moricollins]

Cyriocosmus sp. "Leetzi/Venezuela"

freshly molted:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/moricollins/Cyriocosmus/leetzi%20venezuela/DSCF3289small.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/moricollins/Cyriocosmus/leetzi%20venezuela/DSCF3291small.jpg

Mori

[tarcan]

Very nice Mori, starting to look realy good, what's it,s size? Did you sex it?

Martin

[moricollins]

Very nice Mori, starting to look realy good, what's it,s size? Did you sex it?

Martin

Martin, it's about 3/4" now, no way I can sex it, I have the molt in a vial right now, if it's ok with you I'll be mailing it to you sometime to sex.

Mori

[AlainL]

Cyriocosmus sp. "Leetzi/Venezuela"

freshly molted:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/moricollins/Cyriocosmus/leetzi%20venezuela/DSCF3289small.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/moricollins/Cyriocosmus/leetzi%20venezuela/DSCF3291small.jpg

Mori

Hi!

Man, these are beautiful, I will get some of these from Martin very soon:)

[tarcan]

Mori,

Send the molt and I will have a look at it.

Well, send the specimen as well in case it is a female, then I can keep it! LOL:D

Take care

Martin

[tarcan]

Another C. elegans sac... female was not happy with me taking it from her! :D

[tarcan]

Mori,

Your Cyriocosmus sp. leetzi is a female ;)

Martin

[Philth]

Congrats on your sac's Eric and Martin.:worship:

Cyriocosmus elegans , ultimate male.

later, Tom

[GoTerps]

Hi Tom,

Congrats on your sac's Eric and Martin.:worship:


Thanks! :)

I just now separated the spiderlings from the mother. I let them hatch out with the mother and fed them once while still together.

I have 142 separated... but I lost a few here and there that scurried off and blended into my flooring! It's time consuming separating these little ones out of the substrate, but I rarely ever pull eggsacs anymore. It seems like a pretty good total, considering the female's not full grown.

Eric

[tarcan]

Éric,

sounds like a nice averidge sac. You must of had fun with the babies in the substrate, it happened to me once because I never found the sac in the first place.

Now you know how much fun I had a couple of years ago when I had close to 1000 babies to seperate in a few months period!

Congrats again, always nice to see this species bred.

Martin

[tarcan]

C. leetzi female

[tarcan]

You can already see the difference in the pattern of the abdomen from Mori's specimens.

If you look back at Mori's post, not the recent one, but the older pictures a few post back, the specimen already shows he 4th line developping.

On my specimen, which is more advanced, probably the same size as the specimen pictured by Mori in his last posts, you cannot see any fourth line.

Will be nice to continue comparing as they grow.

Martin

[GoTerps]

To continue with what Martin said, and for those who don't know...

It's important to recognize that abdominal patterning is critical in the identification/description of many species of Cyriocosmus. See the 2005 revision of this genus:

Fukushima, C.S., R. Bertani & P.I. da Silva, Jr. 2005. Revision of Cyriocosmus Simon, 1903, with notes on the genus Hapalopus Ausserer, 1875 (Araneae: Theraphosidae). Zootaxa 846: 1-31.

The spiderlings for sale right now as "leetzi/Venezuela" have 4 (maybe 5 depending on age) stripes on the abdomen. If you were to use the key contained in the paper listed above, these spiders will NOT key-out to C. leetzi.

Fabian Vol described C. leetzi in 1999 with specimens from Columbia. C. leetzi are described as having only 3 strips on the dorsal abdomen.

Eric

[syndicate]

Another C. elegans sac... female was not happy with me taking it from her! :D

haha great picture!:D

[moricollins]

Juvenile female Cyriocosmus sp "Bolivia":

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/moricollins/Cyriocosmus/bolivia/DSCF3373.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/moricollins/Cyriocosmus/bolivia/DSCF3374.jpg

Mori

[AlainL]

Juvenile female Cyriocosmus sp "Bolivia":

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/moricollins/Cyriocosmus/bolivia/DSCF3373.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/moricollins/Cyriocosmus/bolivia/DSCF3374.jpg

Mori

Hi Mori!

Beautiful pics and t as well:clap:
Can't wait for mine to reach that size.

[tarcan]

Thanks for the female Mori, she is gorgeous!

[tarcan]

I guess I had too much time to spare this evening...

[TheDarkness]

man, nice work!!!

CONGRATULATIONS!!

[AlainL]

Martin,

That is very good work:clap:

You should make a poster with this.

[Philth]

Awesome Martin.:worship: Thanks for being bored.

Later, Tom

[R.HENNING]

AWSOME PIC'S !!!

:worship: :clap:

[tarcan]

Thanks everyone.

Here is version 2 already done thanks to the Darkness and another colleague that is not on the boards here.

Should be a version 3 shortly with a few more species.

Eventually, I will try to make a better version, I have done the croppings relatively fast and some pictures can be improved, but that is just for fun.

Take care

Martin

[R.HENNING]

Great work !!
NICE ID KEY :clap:

[hamfoto]

Cyriocosmus sp. "leetzi"

It's a wee little thing...

enjoy,
Chris

[Philth]

C. elegans bred in a 40 dram . She's just shy of 1 inch, the male was bigger. It only took about 2 weeks from the only mating, to sac production.

later, Tom

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f345/TomPatterson/P7281688Small.jpg

[GoTerps]

Ultimate male Cyriocosmus sp. "Bolivia"

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/GoTerps/cyriocosmus-bolivia1male.jpg

Eric

[M.F.Bagaturov]

Hello Martin!

Thanks everyone.
Here is version 2 already done thanks to the Darkness and another colleague that is not on the boards here.
Should be a version 3 shortly with a few more species.
Eventually, I will try to make a better version, I have done the croppings relatively fast and some pictures can be improved, but that is just for fun.
Take care Martin

Great work indeed, very useful for this group!
May I use it as always? :o

BTW. 2 of those Yours Cyrios seems so females!!! Thank You!

[tarcan]

Mikhail,

Sorry for the late reply I was away for two weeks, yes you can use the chart if you want. I am happy you got at least one female in the lot.

A few pictures in the same time

Cyriocosmus sp. "leetzi" Venezuela female

Cyriocosmus sp. Bolivia female

[Philth]

Cyriocosmus elegans

[Sharpy808]

:clap: Congratulations Tom, very nice. I can see about 55-60 in the pick.. curious on the total count.

GL

[TheDarkness]

I have completed the chart with the last pic of my C. chicoi sp. "stripped"

[tarcan]

The darkness, thanks, I di dnot have time to work on it again as I was away for some time and I am quite busy these days.

[Johannesn.]

C. elegans

[JimM]

Can someone please tell me the max size for the various Cyriocosmus species please...and please indicate if that includes legspan or not?

I'm looking to get back into T's a bit, and just want a small collection of "dwarfs" this time.

Thanks for any help.

Jim

[GoTerps]

Cyriocosmus sp. "Bolivia" female w/ eggsac. :) :)

She was mated 25 days ago, and again 12 days ago.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/GoTerps/Cyrioscosmus-spbolivia1egg.jpg

Eric

[tarcan]

Nice one Eric!

[tarcan]

Cyriocosmus perezmilesi
Kaderka, 2007

;)

[AlainL]

Here's my C.elegans.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o318/carpetpython_album/P1080536_hnf.jpg

[GoTerps]

Hi Martin,

Cyriocosmus perezmilesi
Kaderka, 2007

;)

It's already published? Where?

Eric

[tarcan]

Eric,

As far as I know yes, I was told the info was now public and it was fine to update things.

You probably have the paper by now, but not to look like I do not answer the question:

Revista Ibérica de Aracnología
ISSN: 1576 - 9518.
Dep. Legal: Z-2656-2000.
Vol. 14, 31-XII-2006
Sección: Artículos y Notas.
Pp: 63 − 68.
Fecha publicación: 25 Octubre 2007

[M.F.Bagaturov]

Hi Martin!

Interesting info.
First description by Radan and it's cyROCOSMUS :)
Does it this sp. Bolivia which is the largest mamber of Cyrocosmus genus now?

Interesting that he doesn't include it at his theraphosid taxo news :) here:
http://www.theraphosidae.cz/taxonomy/news.htm

This should be anonced here but as You see it is not updated yet - http://www.sea-entomologia.org/Publicaciones/RevistaIbericaAracnologia/RevistaIbericaAracnologia.htm
BTW. You'll find some old but still very nice articles there ;)

[Martin H.]

Hi Eric and all,



It's already published? Where? KADERKA, R. (2007): Cyriocosmus perezmilesi sp. n. from Bolivia (Araneae: Theraphosidae: Theraphosinae). Revista Ibérica de Aracnología 14: 63-68.

Abstract:
Cyriocosmus perezmilesi sp. n. from Bolivia, Beni province, is described, diagnosed
and keyed inside the inner group of Cyriocosmus Simon 1903 which is
represented by species with reduced paraembolic apophysis in male palpal bulb
structures. The new species can be distinguished from all other cogeners, except
C. blenginii Pérez-Miles 1998, by uniformly coloured carapace and lateral
four-striped pattern on abdomen. C. perezmilesi sp. n. differs from C. blenginii
by presence of the reduced paraembolic apophysis and bicolour femora (reddish
brown, distally black).

all the best,
Martin

[Sceptic]

adult male Cyriocosmus perezmilesi

http://image.neonus.sk/image/sm/eae7536d9347bceca223b0c75d571832.jpeg (http://image.neonus.sk/show/me/eae7536d9347bceca223b0c75d571832.jpeg)

[Grupofix]

Hi, I add a few pix of Cyriocosmus.
C. sp.leetzi female
http://g-spiders.cz/pic/cyriocosmus/cf.leetzi_00.jpg
C. sp Bolivia or perezmilesi if you wish adult male

http://g-spiders.cz/pic/cyriocosmus/perezmilesi_00.jpg

[patotxiki]

Wow !!!

Beautiful spiders and nice pics.Greetings.

[Philth]

Cyriocosmus sp. "leetzi"

[tarcan]

It's been way too long without a post in this lovely thread!

A few comparisons, first one is extreme variations of the abdominal pattern of C. perezmilesi. Note the specimen where all the stripes touch the patch which is an extreme not mentionned in the paper*VS a specimen that has almost no stripes showing.

Second is comparison of the so called Cyriocosmus sp. "leetzi" Venezuela and the C. leetzi. Assuming that the distinguishing factor was the number of lines on the abdomen, well there is no distinction so far that I can see.

Martin

[tarcan]

A picture of my "extreme" C. perezmilesi, still unsexed, I hope for a female.

Martin

[ronin]

Great pics of "not so common" Ts. Thanks for sharing Martin.

[hamfoto]

Very nice Martin! It's nice to see that our sp. "leetzi" may in fact be C. leetzi! I can't wait until mine are adults...soon...they are growing like weeds.

Chris

[Sceptic]

Mating Cyriocosmus perezmilesi - 20 min.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7P-MLKqhiY

Sorry for poor quality. Short version.

[GoTerps]

A young Cyriocosmus sp. "leetzi" Venezuela

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/GoTerps/Cyriocosmus-spleetzi1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/GoTerps/Cyriocosmus-spleetzi2.jpg

Eric

[GoTerps]

Hello my friend from the frozen North :)



A few comparisons, first one is extreme variations of the abdominal pattern of C. perezmilesi. Note the specimen where all the stripes touch the patch which is an extreme not mentionned in the paper*VS a specimen that has almost no stripes showing.


I took some shots of 2 of my C. perezmilesi females today, to add to the abdominal pattern comparisons. Mine seem to be intermediates of the 2 specimens you picture.
Female #1
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/GoTerps/C-perezmilesi1.jpg

Female #2
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/GoTerps/C-perezmilesi2.jpg

Eric

[Sceptic]

http://image.neonus.sk/image/lg/4121d2cdcae7396dcf30f0fb1293dcca.jpeg

http://image.neonus.sk/image/lg/f91e4c0e589b5e995b553e85fed44647.jpeg
n1

:razz:

[AlainL]

Cyriocosmus sp."Leetzi" Venezuela:

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh63/carpetpython1/P1240914_hnf.jpg

Cyriocosmus perezmilesi:

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh63/carpetpython1/P1240948_hnf.jpg

Cyriocosmus sp."Venezuela":

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh63/carpetpython1/P1240970_hnf.jpg

[Tunedbeat]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3148/2386056107_eb2f85ef01_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3066/2386054351_414095d755_o.jpg