Genus Orphnaceus

[bengerno]

Hi All,

I've got 2 slings of Orphnaceus sp., I bought them as a Chilobrachys sp. from Cebu. But I saw a photo about their mom. She looked similar to a Ch. bicolor, that's why I think she was an Orphnaceus sp.
Does anyone has a pic of this species?

Thanks, :confused:
Imre

[Steve Nunn]

Does anyone has a pic of this species?

Hi Imre,
No pic here, but I can tell you how to confirm you have an Orphnaecus sp.. :)

The lyra of the Selenocosmiinae seem stable on a generic level, meaning a genus identification can be made using this character. The lyra of Orphnaecus looks like a downward facing 1/4 moon, with a reduced number of large clavate bacillae. Also, there is a reduced number of strikers compared to other Selenocosmiines. Here is a sketch I did of the lyra:

http://www.selenocosmia.com/orphnaecus_lyra.jpg

Because your spider is young the lyra will still be developing (being a recently derived character it develops as the spider ages), so you may need to wait for a few moults until you can tell. I would also guess you will find an unpaired third claw on tarsi IV, as well as teeth on the median keel of the paired claws. I do not know how constant the spermethecae are, but you might be looking for spermethecae that have a "cutout" portion on the inside of the apical area of each recpetacle (found in at least one [i]Orphnaecus sp.[/]).

Hope this helps ;)

Steve

[bengerno]

Thanks a lot Steve :worship:
So I have to wait patiently, but who can !? ;)

[Robi_Wan]

http://w01.my-files.de/robi_wan/Oeffentlich/myPhotos/OrphnaecusspphilippinesSmall.jpg/view_OrphnaecusspphilippinesSmall.jpg

[Joe1968]

WOW!!! nice pic. is that a pellitus?

[bengerno]

Thanks Robi, :worship:

She is what I saw on the photo :D

[FryLock]

WOW!!! nice pic. is that a pellitus?

The pic (very nice :) ) look's like the one sold as Orphnaceus.sp "2" over here (the mini S.dichromata lookalike) but they are now sold as O.pellitus overseas.

Edit: Come to think Orphnaceus.sp "Cebu" may be different to sp "2" im sure they did not look "that" much like S.dichromata (less distinct) :?.

[Robi_Wan]

Yeah right, I bought some slings as Orphnaceus spc. 2 "Philippines".

[phormingochilus]

This "dichromata-lookalike" specimen is from the island of Negros and become larger than the species from Cebu. See picture attached for comparison.

http://w01.my-files.de/robi_wan/Oeffentlich/myPhotos/OrphnaecusspphilippinesSmall.jpg/view_OrphnaecusspphilippinesSmall.jpg

[FryLock]

Cheers Søren im normally confused at the best of times but i was sure the Cebu one's were more "dignified" then sp "2" :D.

[phormingochilus]

Ungh? "dignified"? What do you mean?

Søren


Cheers Søren im normally confused at the best of times but i was sure the Cebu one's were more "dignified" then sp "2" :D.

[Mark]

IMO,Bill probably use this word,dignified(=distinguished) ;)

[phormingochilus]

In that case I have to say it's the other way around. Though "Cebu" has great contrast right after a molt the colours fade rapidly. Also whereas the contrast in "Negros" or "2" is black/orange the contrast in "Cebu" is more of a dark chestnut/orange. Also to confuse even more - there is a third species - much smaller - sold as Orphnaecus sp. "Philippines" which is from a third island and which is uniform reddish brown. See picture attached. To my knowledge none of these three could ever be O. pellitus mainly due to the distance between the type locality and the localities of the other three species.

Regards
Søren

IMO,Bill probably use this word,dignified(=distinguished) ;)

[Mark]

Hi, Søren
Nice photo!
Although it is overall brown,it seems that some tarantulas habit in Philippines
This island comes close to my country(also Hong Kong)
Have you ever gone to other countries to do your research(field study)?
I recall you have gone to Borneo and took some photo
Can you share your experience with me about your field trip?
I think it is more interesting to me
You can see their natural habitat in really
Thanks for your input

[FryLock]

Iv also seen a plain near jet black species listed as Orphnaecus.sp on an Asian site (iv looked for the pic but cant find it) im guessing it could have been that smaller reddish brown species post moult (but knowing ID's on some sites..).

BTW: Close Mark, dignified as in being self restrained (i.e. more sombre) then the sp “2” but the brown spider humour is from another board (tho I do like brown spiders :D ).

[Mark]

Cheers,Bill
For me,I do like huge New World terrestrials such as Pamphobeteus spp.(my favorite New World genus:)) and all arboreals of other genera.I like their special life style.

[insectoman]

In that case I have to say it's the other way around. Though "Cebu" has great contrast right after a molt the colours fade rapidly. Also whereas the contrast in "Negros" or "2" is black/orange the contrast in "Cebu" is more of a dark chestnut/orange. Also to confuse even more - there is a third species - much smaller - sold as Orphnaecus sp. "Philippines" which is from a third island and which is uniform reddish brown. See picture attached. To my knowledge none of these three could ever be O. pellitus mainly due to the distance between the type locality and the localities of the other three species.

Regards
Søren


oh!!! it's the first time that i can see an adult female of Orphnaecus sp.1 ! i have only some slings of this species and i hope i will can breed them... i'ts harm that only few persone is interesting by this species, at least in france. all people breed O. sp.2 but O. sp. "cébu" and O. sp.1 are neglect...

have you reproduce them?

Benoît

[phormingochilus]

I have bred Orphnaecus sp. "Cebu" twice. It is disturbingly easy to mate. I usually say that the male merely need to look at a female to fertilize her ;-)

Both batches were large and the spiderlings hardy. At first they didn't sell well, but then everybody wanted some and I got rid of all the spiderlings ;-)

I have tried to mate the small species Orphnaecus sp. "Philippines" but both females molted shortly after the mating. I hope to be able to get more males for future breeding of these mini species.

I understand the preference for the Orphnaecus sp. "Negros" (sp. 2) as it is the larger and more colorful of the three species in the hobby, but Iprefer to breed anything I have nonregarding the lack of interest in the hobby.

Regards
Søren

oh!!! it's the first time that i can see an adult female of Orphnaecus sp.1 ! i have only some slings of this species and i hope i will can breed them... i'ts harm that only few persone is interesting by this species, at least in france. all people breed O. sp.2 but O. sp. "cébu" and O. sp.1 are neglect...

have you reproduce them?

Benoît

[insectoman]

ok ok, if you search male of O. sp1 in the futur i will have 1or 2 males, i really want keep this species in my breeding.

Best regards
Benoît

[bengerno]

Hi guys,

I'm a lil' confused :confused: As I see I bought the Cebu type, but in the picture what the trader show me there was an O. sp. 2 :D So only the time can solve my problem. And we can see the pix of both 3 type. :worship:
Anyway thanks for your help, I already know much much more than a week ago.

[moricollins]

Soren, is that a full sized Orphnaecus sp. "Philippines" in your picture? if not, how big do they get (if you know)

thanks
Mori

[phormingochilus]

It's a young adult in the picture. They do not get big - on the contrary. They max out with a legspan in the 5-6 cm range, with diminutive males with legspans in the 3-4 cm range.They have the same attitude as their larger cousins though ;-)

Søren

Soren, is that a full sized Orphnaecus sp. "Philippines" in your picture? if not, how big do they get (if you know)

thanks
Mori

[olecon]

The picture of the Orphnaecus sp II Philippines has made by Christian Meder, thank you to not appropriate this picture.

olecon

[Poeci]

Adult male and female of spec "phillipines II"

http://poecilotheria.org/pictures/orphnaecus/orphnaecus_spec_phillipinen_2_(1).jpg

http://poecilotheria.org/pictures/orphnaecus/orphnaecus_spec_phillipinen_2_(5).jpg

I hope that I'll get some eggsacs in time :D

[lpw]

Orphnaecus sp. "Philippine Rust Orange"

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j179/lwawrzyn/Arachnida/Theraphosidae/Orphnaecus/orphnaecus01.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j179/lwawrzyn/Arachnida/Theraphosidae/Orphnaecus/orphnaecus03.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j179/lwawrzyn/Arachnida/Theraphosidae/Orphnaecus/orphnaecus04.jpg

[Steve Nunn]

Hi,
I guess "Philippine Rust Orange" (lpw, I noted the quotation marks, well placed by you IMO :)) is Orphnaecus sp. "cebu" then??

I have to say that common names that refer to colour of any Asian form theraphosid is going to be a major cause for concern in the future. Hopefully the dealers of these animals can figure out quickly what they have (often not their fault, that could be the name they were given too) and perhaps stick with a locale for the descriptive hobby epitah for now. The name "rust orange" will be applicable to over half of the true Orphnaecus species/forms and in some of those cases, I can guarantee far more applicable then the specimen in the above images.

If you guys can pull this genus into line quickly it would be good for the hobby, if you start to accidently cross the island forms, then you are possibly removing the isolating mechanism that prevented the cross in the wild, this could mean within several generations, instead of 5-6 forms/species, you may end up with one or two very messy looking small spiders. I can't emphasize how important it is to preserve the genetic integrity of these island forms for the hobby and the only way to do that is to jump on this quickly and sort out what came from where and quickly, or else these maturing males are going to do nothing but devastate the genetic captive stock and effectivly be useless. You need to remember you're not dealing with sympatric species here, these are species/forms distinctly and clearly, albeit very recently, isolated from each other, which is really, REALLY important to remember if you aren't exactly sure what you have and you wish to breed.

This has already possibly happened with a Poecilotheria sp., would not be good to see it with this beautiful genus too :)

Cheers,
Steve

[FryLock]

Im pretty sure that will happen sooner or later Steve, a lot of ppl will still breed without locus info and without key's (even when they become accessable to the wider hobby many won't use them) let's hope such beuts as peerboomi can last without being turned into some kind of spider mutt :(.

Obligatory been posted before hand lyra of O.peerboomi pic.

[Bearo]

Does anyone have a picture of an adult O. sp. "mount Kanlaon" or some info? Eaven if its just info about how big they get I would like to know..

[Steve Nunn]

Hi,
Illustrations of the smaller Mt Canlaon species:

http://www.selenocosmia.com/canloan_dwarf_sm.jpg

Steve

[T.Raab]

Hi Steve,

very nice illustration. :)

[urs]

Good info!:clap:
And I must say that I agree with Steve about crossbreeding.
ps. Steve do you have any idea what happened with pokies, witch ones are crossbreeds?

Best regards Uros

[Steve Nunn]

Hi,
No I don't not precisely anyway. But I think Ray Gabriel (Angelarachnid), Martin Huber and Henrik know of this happening to P.smithi stock. I think Steffen B. in Sweden knows of a deliberate cross of P.regalis/P.ornata = P.renata (or some such stupid name) and if you Know J.M. Verdez, for sure he may have information on this.

I remember another case of mistaken crossing in the Pokies (causing huge losses in captive stock), but for the life of me I can't remember for now......

Steve

[urs]

Thanks!

Best regards Uros

[Bearo]

Hi,
No I don't not precisely anyway. But I think Ray Gabriel (Angelarachnid), Martin Huber and Henrik know of this happening to P.smithi stock. I think Steffen B. in Sweden knows of a deliberate cross of P.regalis/P.ornata = P.renata (or some such stupid name) and if you Know J.M. Verdez, for sure he may have information on this.

I remember another case of mistaken crossing in the Pokies (causing huge losses in captive stock), but for the life of me I can't remember for now......

Steve

I guess you meant Stefan B. in Sweden..? Phalagorn..
He has not crossbread if anyone got confused..

I saw pictures in the Genus Poecilotheria thread of a hybrid P. regalis X P. ornata
And I think its on the www.poecilotheria.com site they have P. ornata X P. fasciata pictures

And btw Steve, thanks for the info about the O. sp. "mt kanalon" :)

[FryLock]

Nice work indeed Steve, i see the lyra are fairly well developed for a small sp, be about 3"-4" leg span maybe?.

[Steve Nunn]

@ Bearo,
Hi, yes, I did mean Stefan and no, he's definately not the one who actually did the crossbreed, stefan is too smart for that!! :) Sorry if that confused anyone.

@ Bill,
Thanks :) Yes, about 3-4 ", and a mature female at that, but this is not to be confused with the sp.II Philippines (from further north), that one's really small with a very weak lyra.

Cheers,
Steve

[ZOKU]

Guys,

This thread as been very informative but I am wondering specifically again how you guys are keeping your O. pellitus species? Damp? Dry? I do not know the age of my spider but he is awfully tiny with extremely long legs. The elongated abdomen and coloring presented in the photos are definitely a match as to what my spider looks like...

[Bearo]

I just got 2 groups of slings (Orphnaecus sp. "Sipaly") containing 7 in each, then I rememberd that I have seen T. Fröik's pics from Philipines (http://kryp.forum24.se/kryp-about143.html) where 2 juveniles ran around in the leavs together.. So I thought, could this be a communal species?
What do you guys think? should I seperate all of them or what..?

[phormingochilus]

Seperate them for a start ;-) And do your group experiment when you have had your first breeding on this species. My Orphnaecus are not social at all ;-)

Regards
Søren

I just got 2 groups of slings (Orphnaecus sp. "Sipaly") containing 7 in each, then I rememberd that I have seen T. Fröik's pics from Philipines (http://kryp.forum24.se/kryp-about143.html) where 2 juveniles ran around in the leavs together.. So I thought, could this be a communal species?
What do you guys think? should I seperate all of them or what..?

[Bearo]

Seperate them for a start ;-) And do your group experiment when you have had your first breeding on this species. My Orphnaecus are not social at all ;-)

Regards
Søren
Ok, I'll do that..
Thanks

[tarsier]

all i usually see from my Orphnaceus sp. "Negros"

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/benj_posadas/new%20inverts/2o.jpg

[brachy]

Hi

There is my O. sp. Negros... I like this species.

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/3131/onng3.jpg

[moricollins]

Orphnaecus sp "Phillipines"

female:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/moricollins/Orphnaecus%20sp%20phillipines/DSCF3129.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/moricollins/Orphnaecus%20sp%20phillipines/DSCF3130.jpg

Mature Male:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/moricollins/Orphnaecus%20sp%20phillipines/DSCF3131.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/moricollins/Orphnaecus%20sp%20phillipines/DSCF3135.jpg


Mori

[moricollins]

And the result of one of the matings :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/moricollins/Orphnaecus%20sp%20phillipines/DSCF3267.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/moricollins/Orphnaecus%20sp%20phillipines/DSCF3266.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/moricollins/Orphnaecus%20sp%20phillipines/DSCF3265.jpg

Mori

[patotxiki]

Orphnaecus "Sipalay".

[ChrisNCT]

Here's one of my girls...... I really like this species.

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/9750/img4302dj8.jpg

[Grupofix]

My Orphnaceus sp. bought as "Selenocosmia peerboomi"
http://g-spiders.cz/pic/orphnaceus/sp_01.jpg
with eggsack
http://g-spiders.cz/pic/orphnaceus/sp_02.jpg
with 1.molt slings
http://g-spiders.cz/pic/orphnaceus/sp_00.jpg


PS: Thanks a lot Steve

[deadly_elegance]

Hi I'm from the Philippines anybody want these goegeous species I'm willing to trade some of my slings for yours anybody wants it PM me. .

[kean]

Orphnaecus Sp. - Female (R.I.P.)
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z153/kean912/PeT%20PicTuRes/Orphnaecus%20Sp/OrphnaecusSp.jpg
Orphnaecus Sp. - Male (R.I.P.)
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z153/kean912/PeT%20PicTuRes/Orphnaecus%20Sp/OrphnaecusSp2.jpg
Orphnaecus Sp. - Juvenile Female
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z153/kean912/PeT%20PicTuRes/Orphnaecus%20Sp/OrphnaecusSp3.jpg

[BoBaZ]

Mature female Orphanaecus sp. Philippinus :)

http://images24.fotosik.pl/207/03f9addf27c35170.jpg (www.fotosik.pl)

[syndicate]

great shot.shes a beauty!

[BoBaZ]

Thank's syndicate :)

[syndicate]

Orphnaecus sp."Philippines II"
Adult Female

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a225/SYNDICATE_/D40X/orphsp001copy.jpg

[Martin H.]

Hi,

a new arboreal Orphnaecus species from Panay. Fresh molted female. Some loose the bluish appearance very quick after the molt, others stay bluish quite long.
Photo by Henrik Krehenwinkel


http://www.dearge.de/arachne/img/cover_2008_05.jpg (http://www.dearge.de/arachne/inhalt_2008_05.php)


Some specimens where exported with official permits by the Philippine covernment. Henrik bred them already. All the money of the sale of these spiderlings will go into the Philippine Endemic Species Conservation Project (PESCP) (http://www.pescp.org/) to protect their habitat!

www.pescp.org

all the best,
Martin

[syndicate]

Great looking spider Martin!
would love to buy some and help preserve there natural habitat.
to bad im stuck here in the USA heh
-Chris

[seanbond]

Very pretty lady! ima miss her for sure syn, gotta breed her.

wow martin, just found a new sp to add to the list. looks like we got ourselves a trip lined up syn. ;)

[fartkowski]

Orphnaecus sp. sipalay

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r85/fartkowski/piders/_DSC0083-3.jpg

[Harrod]

Orphnaecus sp II "Phillipines" Female

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x161/harrod96/100_1994.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x161/harrod96/100_1995.jpg

[Draiman]

Someone needs to change the thread title to Orphnaecus instead of "Orphnaceus" ;)

Anyway, Orphnaecus sp. "Sipalay", adult female:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2501/3682000010_bbd42182ac_b.jpg

[dalitan]

orphnaecus sp. from (Murcia)Negros

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/9840/post3.jpg

[seanbond]

shes a looker daltian!

[recluse]

That spid is a damn beaut.

[Draiman]

Adult female Orphnaecus sp. "Sipalay":

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3447/3881745342_71fe4f0916_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2664/3860534995_729c7b3992_b.jpg