Brown Widow?

[P. Novak]

i found three of these, they have a dark brown body and well a abdomen thats black, im asking if they are some kind of dif widow spider. Heres some pics....
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/7611/brownwidow010kt.jpg
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/11/brownwidow027bd.jpg

[ScorpDemon]

can't tell you much about it, except that it's not a brown widow. Doesn't look like a widow at all to me.

[P. Novak]

hmm alright, anyone else, ill try and get better pics tomorrow!

[David_F]

It's definitely not a brown widow. Some other theridiid (cobweb weaver) I think. Maybe Steatoda sp.?

[Ganoderma]

looks pretty steatoda like to me too.

[P. Novak]

ah alright ill get better pics later on today, i really dont think those pictures are doing its justice, i have the "brown widow" in a container rught next to a L.hesperus and they look mighty alike, cept the "brown widow is more brownish and doesnt have a red hourglass marking. Oh and they were both found in the same area. Both under rocks too.

[Ganoderma]

this is no tthe same species but look at the body shape. I am far from a spider expert, but that really does not look latrodectus to me. It does look steatoda like though.

This is a steatoda from western canada.
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i226/ganoderma1/steatoda1.jpg

now look at this L. hesperus (also from western canada, same city in fact).
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i226/ganoderma1/lhesperus1.jpg

[insect714]

here is a link to see a few other pics of L. geometricus (brown widow) other than these pics the only other color form that I know of is a grey form.

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?ei=UTF-8&fr=slv1-&p=Latrodectus%20geometricus&fr2=tab-web