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halo909090
02-09-2007, 12:45 AM
ok first one of my scorpions stopped moving yesturday and i had a feeling it was dying, today when i came from school i looked in its cage and its body was flat on the ground, i left it w/o touching it and after 5 hours it was in the exactly same position, so i picked it up and it wasnt movin at all, so i buried it, and i noticed the fat between the top and the bottom of the scorpion was like gone. and then my second scorpion is doing the same thing now, it stopped moving and isnt moving at all:wall:

Arachnophilist
02-09-2007, 12:47 AM
what kind of scorpions? how old? diet? are they wild caught? how are you keeping them? answer what you can and Im sure we can help you figure it out :D

halo909090
02-09-2007, 12:48 AM
They are emperor scorpions that i bought in petco

Arachnophilist
02-09-2007, 12:51 AM
okay well how long have you had them? and how are they housed?

halo909090
02-09-2007, 12:55 AM
ive had em about 4 months? i think and they live in a 10 gallon tank,

zilch
02-09-2007, 12:55 AM
i had 2 australis who died almost similiarly, hope you don't mind if i ask a question here lol :) its 3i australis (who ate alot, they're seriously stuffed) in small plastic containers with desert sand as substrate. one day i just found them upside down (backs facing upwards) and thought they were dead, but they were still moving. this happened for nearly 3 weeks then finally they died. anyone knows why? :confused:

Arachnophilist
02-09-2007, 12:57 AM
Zilch did you flip them over when they did this?

zilch
02-09-2007, 12:59 AM
Zilch did you flip them over when they did this?

yes i did. but they just fall backwards anyway, so i left them like that. i heard some australis molt that way, but only in rare cases.

halo909090
02-09-2007, 01:01 AM
did they die at almost the same time?

Arachnophilist
02-09-2007, 01:02 AM
yeah thats what I was gonna say, its possible after being disturbed they simply could not molt and died as a result.

zilch
02-09-2007, 01:02 AM
did they die at almost the same time?

yes, one died before another..

zilch
02-09-2007, 01:04 AM
yeah thats what I was gonna say, its possible after being disturbed they simply could not molt and died as a result.

haha, thats what i thought initially, but i only flipped them over like 5 days later?
i don't think they take THAT long to molt, do they? :confused:

halo909090
02-09-2007, 01:05 AM
im afraid that they have some kind of sickness that they both got it and died, and i am afraid that the sickness might affect me or my geckos:8o

Arachnophilist
02-09-2007, 01:07 AM
I would say chances are that they were just old.. or WC adults who had parasites. again.. how did you keep them though.. substrate ? temps? what did you feed them?


and no they dont take 5 days to molt.. perhaps conditions just werent good I dont know.

zilch
02-09-2007, 01:12 AM
im afraid that they have some kind of sickness that they both got it and died, and i am afraid that the sickness might affect me or my geckos:8o

haha. unlikely i think, diseases/viruses which affect scorpions won't spread to reptiles and humans...

more likely i think its humidity issues?

halo909090
02-09-2007, 01:16 AM
yes, i think tha too, i think the white sides of the scorpions dried up and they died, cause i saw a hole on its side and i saw the insides

zilch
02-09-2007, 01:27 AM
yes, i think tha too, i think the white sides of the scorpions dried up and they died, cause i saw a hole on its side and i saw the insides

:eek: terrible way to die. but expect casualties keeping scorpions, i guess thats part of the hobby. the thing now is to lessen casualties by finding out how they kicked the bucket..lol

Arachnophilist
02-09-2007, 01:29 AM
if there was a hole in its side then the other one probably killed it

Thaedion
02-09-2007, 02:03 AM
halo909090, sorry to hear about your loss

Here is what I think, with one of them dieing and the other more than likely going to die in the same 24 hour period, had to be something wrong with the tank conditions most likely. here is why I think that. I was looking back over some threads you posted 08/2006, and the pictures of the two emps there, I believe that are they the same ones that died on you here, had the wrong substrate, the crushed walnut shell (that's what it looked like) and the wood chips had to go, also the humidity was probably not up to required 80%'s it looked dry in there and that was a screen top that you were taking pictures of them on too, probably way too dry, and it did not look like there were any hides in the tank. I believe it was stress and dehydration.

If the one is still alive which it sounded as it was, you'll need to put it in some sort of ICU, but I don't know anything about how to do that.

Just my observations

Galapoheros
02-09-2007, 02:45 AM
I agree with Thaedion. Ha, Arachnophilist was really squeezing hard for that sub info:) . That sure sounds like that's what happened, ..too dry and stressed(?). I use coco fiber and I throw some plexiglass squares on top of the screen to hold in some moisture. I also cover some with plastic wrap. Something to consider if you try it again. Might need some extra heat too if it's cool in the house.

zilch
02-09-2007, 02:48 AM
what about my australis? haha

Arachnophilist
02-09-2007, 02:51 AM
yeah I wasnt getting any answers lol. I would say ur australis died from stress or improper conditions if they both did the flip over for days and die thing.. I dont know why else they would die.

zilch
02-09-2007, 04:27 AM
lol. more info: i was given 4 australis 3i which molted recently. all are eating well. the 2 which later died ate the fastest and were the biggest size. then one day they just toppled over. when they were on their backs, i checked if they were moving, and they were. so i ASSUME they were molting and left them. but this carried on for 4-5days. so i tried turning them back on their legs, but they just struggled and were on their backs again. so i just left them there. you already know the end result.

in terms of genealogy, the dealer told me that 2 came as 1st batch from the mum, and 2nd batch. 1 from each batch died.

EAD063
02-09-2007, 11:30 AM
Upon reading your issue, I immeditately knew it was a housing issue... and if others from different species are dying I think you need to either reconsider your choice of hobby.... or spend a while researching PS, don't go back to petco.

Deolok
02-09-2007, 01:48 PM
I hade the same issue with a pair of H. Spinifers. It only took a week or two after having them shipped that they died. Strange thing was, I kept them in both in seperate pints, with moiste substrate, climbable bark, .5" of substrate, and 70F as temperature... As for emps... I have gone through 2 emps already, that I bought out of Petco... They are all WC theire and not taken to well care of. Temperature they were alright, but substrate and feeding was horrible... (I always give those petco employees a piece of my mind when I go in their to get crixs). Anyways, my first couple emps bit the dust around 4-6 months after buying them... They are just old... Is my take, I find it highly unlikely that it was some form of parasite or disease, but then again you never know. I will have to go with bad keeping... Do not jummp to quitting the hobby just yet... Just research the reccomendations for your scorps enclosure next time and do not settle for minimum requirments.

Galapoheros
02-09-2007, 02:47 PM
Here are a couple of my 5 gal setups. Just sub and a rock in a couple of terrs. I use 3 to 5 inches of sub. I encourage using a waterdish. Because of the way I house them, I don't use waterdishes in the Emp and Hetero terrs. I've had the Emp that's under the rock in the first pic coming up on two years now with no waterdish. Plenty of condensation in it's hide and I mist/rehydrate the sub about twice a month. But good to have a waterdish! I have a plexiglass square on the top of the screen top that's shifted a little for some ventilation.
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r264/galapoheros/Dscn3463.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r264/galapoheros/Dscn3466.jpg

EAD063
02-09-2007, 02:50 PM
Deolok, thanks for adding that last bit in... Reading over my post I thought "shoulda worded that one nicer". What a jerk I am. We would definently be happy to send you papers or caresheets zilch.... But still stay away from petco, lol. I guess a good pet store is hard to come by these days. Luckily I've been going to the same one since I was 6. Zilch we can also put you in touch with some good dealers where you can get juvenile scorps that won't kick the bucket in a day.

zilch
02-11-2007, 10:07 PM
lol, i didn't purchase my australis from petco, neither do i live anywhere near petco, wherever that is. i'm from malaysia :) i purchased them from a breeder. thanks, i'd appreciate that. my email's at ser_young@hotmail.com and i do have msn messenger.