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LaRiz 07-03-2003 12:37 AM

S.h.castaniceps...a must view thread!
 
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Instead of updating a previous thread on the subject of this particular centipede, I thought it may be better to start a fresh thread.
From the start...Last year, spring I was at the Hamburg, PA show, where I saw a vendor selling large Scolopendra heros castaniceps for $18. Amongst the centipede was one that was neatly balled up and clutching eggs. So I figured, there's a good chance that the other may have mated and might drop eggs for me. So I bought the largest, fattest one. A couple of months later she did indeed lay eggs. It's was June, I think. The whole thing went without a hitch. She cared for them, they developed and they seemed like they wanted to disperse. They mostly stayed in the vicinity of her, with only a few venturing out to look for food, I take it. I offered crushed large crickets, which they gang-fed on. No cannibalism occured. Not at all. Since I take terrible records, I could only guess as to how long the whole ordeal took from start to finish. I'd say a little over 3 months. Babies were removed, most sold, some died, etc., etc. Momma was by herself.
Eating pinkies, roaches, and crickets as normal.
Then in March her activities ceased, she went underground and molted. After, she was vibrantly colored and very active. A real eating machine.
June 15th. I go to feed her and find that she's caring for eggs again.
It raises some questions.
Are the eggs fertile? How can this be?
Well, today July 3rd I peered in to see if the eggs hatched and yes, they hatched.
So, in this species at least, females can retain sperm for use much later. Even retaining it after a molt. Here are the pics, from the start. Sorry for the repost of old pics, but I thought they might be relevent to this thread.
Anyways, this raised many more questions. It can even give a glimpse into the mysterious natural history of a giant centipede.

LaRiz 07-03-2003 12:38 AM

Scolopendra heros castaniceps
 
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Another pic from the 2002 egg laying and hatching.

LaRiz 07-03-2003 12:40 AM

Scolopendra heros castaniceps
 
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Another old pic from 2002, showing the babies that dispersed and gang fed upon crushed crickets.
john

LaRiz 07-03-2003 12:42 AM

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And here is the pic I took today.
Post embryos are evident. So I guess the eggs were fertile!
I'm so happy :D
In no way was there a mix up. This is the only adult Scolopendra heros castaniceps in my household. All the others are either Scolopendra sp. "Puerto Rico", or Scolopendra sp. "Peru".

Static_69 07-03-2003 12:48 AM

wow!
looks like your pedes are egg laying machines!



Risto

BileDrunk 07-03-2003 12:59 AM

Man John! That is pretty much breakthrough news man.
Excellent! I had a S. s. dehaani lay a brood after she had molted more than once in my care. Unfortunately she ate the aggs so there was no way to answer the same questions.
Wow, that is very very cool dude. Best of luck with the second brood. :)
Maybe I can try to get my dehaani to lay another batch too huh?


See ya.

Atrax

Mendi 07-03-2003 01:50 AM

That's really interesting to know, and the pictures are great as usual!!! Good luck with the new brood and send me a PM when you're ready to sell them :)

Steven 07-03-2003 05:41 AM

That's indeed very interesting :cool:
would you consider selling any of your plings overseas ? :D

greetz

Nikos 07-03-2003 02:46 PM

I know this might sound to bizare.... but have anyone considered that the female didn't actualy stored sperm BUT it was fertilized from one of the small centipedes.

Since we don't know too much about centipedes and especialy about their reproduction, this option should be considered.

Wade 07-03-2003 03:01 PM

There's also the possibility of parthenogenesis, although I don't know if that's ever been reported occuring with centipedes before.

I wonder if female centipedes only need to mate once in thier lifetime?

Wade

Phillip 07-03-2003 10:22 PM

Wade beat me to it...
 
I was actually thinking today at work that parthenogenisis couldn't really be ruled out either since after all there is still much to be learned on pedes. I would definately keep a few of the babies and raise them not only to have them but to test the theory. Either way really cool news and congrats on the babies. Who knows perhaps if they do indeed store sperm that may be why they are such a pain to breed and so bad about killing each other. It may be natures way of keeping the numbers down. Very interesting news anyway though.

Phil

LaRiz 07-04-2003 12:28 AM

I thought about parthogenesis, and I would lean more towards it. Thing is that they're natural history and reproduction is so mysterious.
Only more questions arise out of this. Parthogenesis is bizarre and amazing. It just blows the mind! Hear about the female Burm python that gave up a litter of healthies without mating?
Sperm storage cannot be ruled out too. We really don't know the mechanics of where the sperm is stored and what happens to this area when a 'pede molts. Do we compare them to the way tarantulas reproduce and this is what sets our minds?
john

Phillip 07-04-2003 01:50 AM

I heard about the burm.
 
That was truly amazing with the burmese. Guess they don't know as much about those as they thought after all. :)

Phil

Weapon-X 07-04-2003 01:56 AM

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JOHN, congrats on a truly amazing discovery, that is one the coolet things i have ever read about simply amazing, if it turns out they only need to mate once in their lifetime that makes me wonder, imagine if sp. peruvian giants do the same now that would awesome, but regardless THAT is awesome:)

skolopender 07-04-2003 06:39 AM

Hi John,
it's really interesting and i think (!) that i heard such stories already before that centipedes could store the sperm and are able to breed several times.... - but you're right as the reproduction of centipedes isn't really explored upto now, so parthogenesis is possible too.
How much plings did you got - accdg to the 2nd pic i guess more then 20 ?


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