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GailC

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I bought a few slings last spring that were listed as B. sabo but now that they are bigger, I have my doubts.

This one is freshly molted and sexed male, around 2.5 inches


This one hasn't molted for a couple months so the colors are a bit faded.


So what do I have? vegans or maybe a hybrid? I had hoped to be able to bred sabos but now I won't be:(
 

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Honestly, pure vagans, sabulosum, and angustum, aswelll as a few other "red rumps" in the hobby are very hard to come by.
The species are so extremely similar, people can't tell the difference between them, and will inevitabley end up with hybrids.
With yours, I haven't got a clue.
 

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I don't understand how someone can breed then sell a possible hybrid as a pure. I don't mind hybrids but I do want to know thats what they are before I get them.
I got a few of these slings but only kept two, bothers me that something I sold might not be what it its supposed to be. Hopefully the guy I sold them too only wanted pets.
 

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Isn't that even the pure ones of vagans, sabulosum ,angustum ,epicureanum and kahlenbergi etc. are very hard to tell even from an expert perspective?
 

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It is impossible to tell the species from the pics of the spider in juvenil coloration. Give it ~ two molts and post the pic again.
 

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It is impossible to tell the species from the pics of the spider in juvenil coloration. Give it ~ two molts and post the pic again.
Listen to Bagaturov, he knows his spids very well :)

Doesn't one of the species mentioned have a lighter colored setae on the legs as adults?
 

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I don't understand how someone can breed then sell a possible hybrid as a pure. I don't mind hybrids but I do want to know thats what they are before I get them.
I got a few of these slings but only kept two, bothers me that something I sold might not be what it its supposed to be. Hopefully the guy I sold them too only wanted pets.
Its kinda like buying a fake Rolex from someone on a street corner. Sometimes we get knok off Ts from people who dont know any better and sometimes they come into the hobby because there is a demand and some are not as worried about getting the pure T as they are about getting a T.
 

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It is not to be wiseman to tell B. epicureanum and B. sabulosum (with whitish setae, Bliss :)) apart. But since last years searching for real B. vagans I can't find it :(
As for angustum, each of them I saw where "albogans" or redrumps doesn't fit into oeiginal description of the species...
As for B. kahlenbergi - it is not wise to describe new species of a group of species which even specialist can't tell all of them apart.
but I believe Brachy` revision will be withing couple of years...
 

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Are the vegans in Florida a pure strain?
 

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If Im correct in remembering a few articles I think they were speculated to be from a personal collection that were released into a field all though I could be wrong. Im not sure in the end if there was any hard evidence to suport them having migrated or having been released.
 

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Are the vegans in Florida a pure strain?
Supposedly, but it may very well just be an archnoledgend. There are Ts there, but as to them being "pure" B. vagans we might need to let the experts figure that out. In one of those higly touted per-reviewed papers.
 

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I think Travis K is right much of what we know about the FL vegen could be archnoledgend. From what I understood the ones in Fl were a darker coloration.
 

GailC

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The pics I've seen of the florida vegans seemed to be darker with more vibrant coloring. Maybe its just a case of interbreeding in a limited population though. Its really too bad all these brachys are so messed up, I hate to see pure strains lost in the hobby.
I'll post pics again after another 2-3 molts and see what you all think then.
 
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