HOT Scorpions

[JoeyS]

I've tried to search the forum for what species of scorpions are considered "HOT", nothing really came up.. could anyone tell me?

[Nomadinexile]

There is one genus that is really hot, that is not available. I will not even mention it.


The species that are available and hot generally come from the genus' Androctonus, Parabuthus, Tityus,... Anyone want to add?

[filenamex5100]

Buthacus, Centruroides, Leiurus, and a few others perhaps.

[JoeyS]

Buthacus, Centruroides, Leiurus, and a few others perhaps.

the Centruroides sp is hot? like Centruroides vittatus,Centruroides gracilis?

[filenamex5100]

C. gracilis from certain areas are considered very MedSig. C. sculp/exili are not something to joke around with either. C. vittatus is not on the list, imo.

[JoeyS]

C. gracilis from certain areas are considered very MedSig. C. sculp/exili are not something to joke around with either. C. vittatus is not on the list, imo.

I am just making sure what are HOT and what are not since i am new to the hobby i don't wanna dip my hands in hot water if you know what i mean

[filenamex5100]

there are many species that will put some serious hurt to you. a handful of them are very very toxic. most of those genus' have been listed above. just do a search on google for scoprion ld50. that should bring up a general list of some scorpions you should prolly stay away from until you are very familiar with scorps.

[BeakerTheMighty]

Androctonus, Buthacus, Buthus, Parabuthus, Hottentotta, Mesobuthus, Leirus, Tityus, Centruroides, and Hemiscorpius are all genus considered to be on the "hot" side. (Sorry I know I repeated some from Nomadinexile and Filenamex). Species from all of these groups make it into the U.S. hobby sometimes with the exception of Hemiscorpius (as far as I know). This probably isn't a complete list, so if anyone knows any others please add.


EDIT:

I also wanted to note, people react differently to envenomation, so its possible that a scorpion not commonly considered dangerous could cause a serious reaction if it stung a sensitive or allergic person. The genre listed above are simply ones I've read of as presenting a significant threat/causing very serious symptoms.

[Michiel]

Here is a list, published in an article of a friend of mine. This info is copyrighted to protect the authorship.

Concise Checklist of the Buthid Scorpions of Medical Significance
Lucian K. Ross

"Due to the lack of medical and toxicological reports
regarding venom toxicities and potential effects in humans in the majority of buthid scorpions,the list remains tentative and incomplete"

FAMILY BUTHIDAE C. L. KOCH, 1837 (ARACHNIDA: SCORPIONES)

GENUS ANDROCTONUS EHRENBERG, 1828
A. amoreuxi (Audouin, 1826)
A. australis (see Note 1) (Linnaeus, 1758)
A. bicolor (see Note 2) Ehrenberg, 1828
A. crassicauda (Olivier, 1807)
A. liouvillei (Pallary, 1924) (see Note 3)
A. mauritanicus (Pocock, 1902)

GENUS BUTHUS LEACH, 1815
B. occitanus (Amoreux, 1789) (see Note 4)
B. tunetanus (Herbst, 1800)

GENUS CENTRUROIDES MARX, 1890
C. elegans (Thorell, 1876) (see Note 5)
C. gracilis (Latreille, 1804) (see Note 6)
C. griseus (C. L. Koch, 1844)
C. infamatus (C. L. Koch, 1844) (see Note 7)
C. limbatus (Pocock, 1898) (see Note 8)
C. limpidus (Karsch, 1879) (see Note 9)
C. noxius Hoffmann, 1932 (see Note 10)
C. pallidiceps Pocock, 1902
C. sculpturatus Ewing, 1928 (see Notes 11)
C. suffusus (Pocock, 1902) (see Note 12)
C. vittatus (Say, 1821) (see Notes 13)

GENUS HOTTENTOTTA BIRULA, 1908
H. gentili (Pallary, 1924) (see Note 14)
H. hottentotta (Fabricius, 1787)
H. judaicus (Simon, 1872) (see Note 15)
H. minax (L. Koch, 1975)
H. saulcyi (Simon, 1828)
H. tamulus (Fabricius, 1798)
H. trilineatus (Peters, 1861)

GENUS LEIURUS EHRENBERG, 1828 (excluded from McWest 2003)
L. quinquestriatus (Ehrenberg, 1828)

GENUS MESOBUTHUS VACHON, 1950
M. eupeus (C. L. Koch, 1839)
M. gibbosus (Brulli, 1832) (see Note 16)
M. martensii (Karsch, 1879)

GENUS ODONTOBUTHUS VACHON, 1950
(O. doriae) (Thorell, 1876)

GENUS PARABUTHUS POCOCK, 1890
P. capensis (Ehrenberg, 1831)
P. granulatus (Ehrenberg, 1831)
P. mossambicensis (Peters, 1861)
P. transvaalicus Purcell, 1899

GENUS TITYUS C. L. KOCH, 1836
T. arellanoparrai Gonzalez-Sponga, 1985
T. argentinus Borelli, 1899
T. asthenes Pocock, 1893 (see Note 17)
T. bahiensis (Perty, 1833)
T. brazilae Lourenco & Eickstedt, 1984
T. cambridgei Pocock, 1897
T. caripitensis Quiroga, De Sousa & Parrilla-Alvarez, 2000
T. charreyroni Vellard, 1932
T. costatus (Karsch, 1879)
T. dasyurus Pocock, 1897
T. dedoslargos Francke & Stockwell, 1987
T. discrepans (Karsch, 1879)
T. falconensis Gonzalez-Sponga, 1974 (see Note 18)
T. fasciolatus Pessoa, 1935
T. forcipula (Gervais, 1843)
T. fuehrmanni Kraepelin, 1914
T. funestus Hirst, 1911
T. ivicnancor Gonzalez-Sponga, 1997
T. mattogrossensis Borelli, 1901
T. monaguensis Gonzalez-Sponga, 1974
T. neglectus Mello-Leitao, 1932
T. nematochirus Mello-Leitao, 1940
T. neoespartanus Gonzalez-Sponga, 1996 (see Note 19)
T. nororientalis Gonzalez-Sponga, 1996
T. pachyurus Pocock, 1897
T. perijanensis Gonzalez-Sponga, 1994 (see Note 20)
T. quirogae De Sousa, Manzanilla & Parrilla-Alvarez, 2006
T. serrulatus Lutz & Mello, 1922
T. silvestris Pocock, 1897
T. stigmurus (Thorell, 1876) (see Note 21)
T. surorientalis Gonzalez-Sponga, 1996
T. tamayoi Gonzalez-Sponga, 1987
T. trinitatis Pocock, 1897 (see Note 22)
T. trivittatus Kraepelin, 1898
T. zulianus Gonzalez-Sponga, 1981


Maybe some one can pin this for future reference

Cheers, Michiel

[JoeyS]

Here is a list, published in an article of a friend of mine. This info is copyrighted to protect the authorship.

Concise Checklist of the Buthid Scorpions of Medical Significance
Lucian K. Ross

"Due to the lack of medical and toxicological reports
regarding venom toxicities and potential effects in humans in the majority of buthid scorpions,the list remains tentative and incomplete"

FAMILY BUTHIDAE C. L. KOCH, 1837 (ARACHNIDA: SCORPIONES)

GENUS ANDROCTONUS EHRENBERG, 1828
A. amoreuxi (Audouin, 1826)
A. australis (see Note 1) (Linnaeus, 1758)
A. bicolor (see Note 2) Ehrenberg, 1828
A. crassicauda (Olivier, 1807)
A. liouvillei (Pallary, 1924) (see Note 3)
A. mauritanicus (Pocock, 1902)

GENUS BUTHUS LEACH, 1815
B. occitanus (Amoreux, 1789) (see Note 4)
B. tunetanus (Herbst, 1800)

GENUS CENTRUROIDES MARX, 1890
C. elegans (Thorell, 1876) (see Note 5)
C. gracilis (Latreille, 1804) (see Note 6)
C. griseus (C. L. Koch, 1844)
C. infamatus (C. L. Koch, 1844) (see Note 7)
C. limbatus (Pocock, 1898) (see Note 8)
C. limpidus (Karsch, 1879) (see Note 9)
C. noxius Hoffmann, 1932 (see Note 10)
C. pallidiceps Pocock, 1902
C. sculpturatus Ewing, 1928 (see Notes 11)
C. suffusus (Pocock, 1902) (see Note 12)
C. vittatus (Say, 1821) (see Notes 13)

GENUS HOTTENTOTTA BIRULA, 1908
H. gentili (Pallary, 1924) (see Note 14)
H. hottentotta (Fabricius, 1787)
H. judaicus (Simon, 1872) (see Note 15)
H. minax (L. Koch, 1975)
H. saulcyi (Simon, 1828)
H. tamulus (Fabricius, 1798)
H. trilineatus (Peters, 1861)

GENUS LEIURUS EHRENBERG, 1828 (excluded from McWest 2003)
L. quinquestriatus (Ehrenberg, 1828)

GENUS MESOBUTHUS VACHON, 1950
M. eupeus (C. L. Koch, 1839)
M. gibbosus (Brulli, 1832) (see Note 16)
M. martensii (Karsch, 1879)

GENUS ODONTOBUTHUS VACHON, 1950
(O. doriae) (Thorell, 1876)

GENUS PARABUTHUS POCOCK, 1890
P. capensis (Ehrenberg, 1831)
P. granulatus (Ehrenberg, 1831)
P. mossambicensis (Peters, 1861)
P. transvaalicus Purcell, 1899

GENUS TITYUS C. L. KOCH, 1836
T. arellanoparrai Gonzalez-Sponga, 1985
T. argentinus Borelli, 1899
T. asthenes Pocock, 1893 (see Note 17)
T. bahiensis (Perty, 1833)
T. brazilae Lourenco & Eickstedt, 1984
T. cambridgei Pocock, 1897
T. caripitensis Quiroga, De Sousa & Parrilla-Alvarez, 2000
T. charreyroni Vellard, 1932
T. costatus (Karsch, 1879)
T. dasyurus Pocock, 1897
T. dedoslargos Francke & Stockwell, 1987
T. discrepans (Karsch, 1879)
T. falconensis Gonzalez-Sponga, 1974 (see Note 18)
T. fasciolatus Pessoa, 1935
T. forcipula (Gervais, 1843)
T. fuehrmanni Kraepelin, 1914
T. funestus Hirst, 1911
T. ivicnancor Gonzalez-Sponga, 1997
T. mattogrossensis Borelli, 1901
T. monaguensis Gonzalez-Sponga, 1974
T. neglectus Mello-Leitao, 1932
T. nematochirus Mello-Leitao, 1940
T. neoespartanus Gonzalez-Sponga, 1996 (see Note 19)
T. nororientalis Gonzalez-Sponga, 1996
T. pachyurus Pocock, 1897
T. perijanensis Gonzalez-Sponga, 1994 (see Note 20)
T. quirogae De Sousa, Manzanilla & Parrilla-Alvarez, 2006
T. serrulatus Lutz & Mello, 1922
T. silvestris Pocock, 1897
T. stigmurus (Thorell, 1876) (see Note 21)
T. surorientalis Gonzalez-Sponga, 1996
T. tamayoi Gonzalez-Sponga, 1987
T. trinitatis Pocock, 1897 (see Note 22)
T. trivittatus Kraepelin, 1898
T. zulianus Gonzalez-Sponga, 1981


Maybe some one can pin this for future reference

Cheers, Michiel

Michiel, Great post this helps me a lot is there a site or something that states the scorpions toxicity level 1-5. I've been using this but there isnt to many species on it http://theinverts.com/scorpioncaresheets.html

[Michiel]

Hi, I don't know if there is such a site. All species on the list are more or less intented for experience keepers.

Cheers, Michiel

[Cowin8579]

Great posts Michiel.

[BeakerTheMighty]

This is an AWESOME list, very neat to see such a thorough a list including species as opposed to simply genera. However, I would just note for the thread-starters benefit that it does omit at least one scorpion that is well documented as having caused deaths. The scorpion missing is not a member of Buthidae so that is almost certainly why it is omitted. Also, the scorpion I refer to has not (as far as I know) and probably will not be in the U.S. hobby any time soon.

If you are looking to avoid hot scorpions the two big ones are a) make sure the scorpion you are buying is IDed by someone who knows their scorpions. Particularly the non-descript ones as many harmless species look similar to dangerous ones. B) put some research into any species prior to buying it. I know of an incident where a teacher bought an A. australis specimen that they thought would make a good classroom pet simply because they had no knowledge of the species !! Luckily they found out more about it before bringing it to school and of course decided to get a different classroom pet. Goes to show how important it is to research any animal you buy.

I guess the summed up version is, reading these lists is a great idea, but at the same time, don't assume that just because a scorpion isn't on a list of dangerous one's that it is "safe". Get info on any scorpion you wanna buy, particularly the venom ;-)

Here is a list, published in an article of a friend of mine. This info is copyrighted to protect the authorship.

Concise Checklist of the Buthid Scorpions of Medical Significance
Lucian K. Ross

"Due to the lack of medical and toxicological reports
regarding venom toxicities and potential effects in humans in the majority of buthid scorpions,the list remains tentative and incomplete"

FAMILY BUTHIDAE C. L. KOCH, 1837 (ARACHNIDA: SCORPIONES)

GENUS ANDROCTONUS EHRENBERG, 1828
A. amoreuxi (Audouin, 1826)
A. australis (see Note 1) (Linnaeus, 1758)
A. bicolor (see Note 2) Ehrenberg, 1828
A. crassicauda (Olivier, 1807)
A. liouvillei (Pallary, 1924) (see Note 3)
A. mauritanicus (Pocock, 1902)

GENUS BUTHUS LEACH, 1815
B. occitanus (Amoreux, 1789) (see Note 4)
B. tunetanus (Herbst, 1800)

GENUS CENTRUROIDES MARX, 1890
C. elegans (Thorell, 1876) (see Note 5)
C. gracilis (Latreille, 1804) (see Note 6)
C. griseus (C. L. Koch, 1844)
C. infamatus (C. L. Koch, 1844) (see Note 7)
C. limbatus (Pocock, 1898) (see Note 8)
C. limpidus (Karsch, 1879) (see Note 9)
C. noxius Hoffmann, 1932 (see Note 10)
C. pallidiceps Pocock, 1902
C. sculpturatus Ewing, 1928 (see Notes 11)
C. suffusus (Pocock, 1902) (see Note 12)
C. vittatus (Say, 1821) (see Notes 13)

GENUS HOTTENTOTTA BIRULA, 1908
H. gentili (Pallary, 1924) (see Note 14)
H. hottentotta (Fabricius, 1787)
H. judaicus (Simon, 1872) (see Note 15)
H. minax (L. Koch, 1975)
H. saulcyi (Simon, 1828)
H. tamulus (Fabricius, 1798)
H. trilineatus (Peters, 1861)

GENUS LEIURUS EHRENBERG, 1828 (excluded from McWest 2003)
L. quinquestriatus (Ehrenberg, 1828)

GENUS MESOBUTHUS VACHON, 1950
M. eupeus (C. L. Koch, 1839)
M. gibbosus (Brulli, 1832) (see Note 16)
M. martensii (Karsch, 1879)

GENUS ODONTOBUTHUS VACHON, 1950
(O. doriae) (Thorell, 1876)

GENUS PARABUTHUS POCOCK, 1890
P. capensis (Ehrenberg, 1831)
P. granulatus (Ehrenberg, 1831)
P. mossambicensis (Peters, 1861)
P. transvaalicus Purcell, 1899

GENUS TITYUS C. L. KOCH, 1836
T. arellanoparrai Gonzalez-Sponga, 1985
T. argentinus Borelli, 1899
T. asthenes Pocock, 1893 (see Note 17)
T. bahiensis (Perty, 1833)
T. brazilae Lourenco & Eickstedt, 1984
T. cambridgei Pocock, 1897
T. caripitensis Quiroga, De Sousa & Parrilla-Alvarez, 2000
T. charreyroni Vellard, 1932
T. costatus (Karsch, 1879)
T. dasyurus Pocock, 1897
T. dedoslargos Francke & Stockwell, 1987
T. discrepans (Karsch, 1879)
T. falconensis Gonzalez-Sponga, 1974 (see Note 18)
T. fasciolatus Pessoa, 1935
T. forcipula (Gervais, 1843)
T. fuehrmanni Kraepelin, 1914
T. funestus Hirst, 1911
T. ivicnancor Gonzalez-Sponga, 1997
T. mattogrossensis Borelli, 1901
T. monaguensis Gonzalez-Sponga, 1974
T. neglectus Mello-Leitao, 1932
T. nematochirus Mello-Leitao, 1940
T. neoespartanus Gonzalez-Sponga, 1996 (see Note 19)
T. nororientalis Gonzalez-Sponga, 1996
T. pachyurus Pocock, 1897
T. perijanensis Gonzalez-Sponga, 1994 (see Note 20)
T. quirogae De Sousa, Manzanilla & Parrilla-Alvarez, 2006
T. serrulatus Lutz & Mello, 1922
T. silvestris Pocock, 1897
T. stigmurus (Thorell, 1876) (see Note 21)
T. surorientalis Gonzalez-Sponga, 1996
T. tamayoi Gonzalez-Sponga, 1987
T. trinitatis Pocock, 1897 (see Note 22)
T. trivittatus Kraepelin, 1898
T. zulianus Gonzalez-Sponga, 1981


Maybe some one can pin this for future reference

Cheers, Michiel

[Michiel]

This is an AWESOME list, very neat to see such a thorough a list including species as opposed to simply genera. However, I would just note for the thread-starters benefit that it does omit at least one scorpion that is well documented as having caused deaths. The scorpion missing is not a member of Buthidae so that is almost certainly why it is omitted. Also, the scorpion I refer to has not (as far as I know) and probably will not be in the U.S. hobby any time soon.

If you are looking to avoid hot scorpions the two big ones are a) make sure the scorpion you are buying is IDed by someone who knows their scorpions. Particularly the non-descript ones as many harmless species look similar to dangerous ones. B) put some research into any species prior to buying it. I know of an incident where a teacher bought an A. australis specimen that they thought would make a good classroom pet simply because they had no knowledge of the species !! Luckily they found out more about it before bringing it to school and of course decided to get a different classroom pet. Goes to show how important it is to research any animal you buy.

I guess the summed up version is, reading these lists is a great idea, but at the same time, don't assume that just because a scorpion isn't on a list of dangerous one's that it is "safe". Get info on any scorpion you wanna buy, particularly the venom ;-)

If you are referring to Hemiscorpius lepturus from Iran, let's hope it NEVER comes into the hobby.

Cheers, Michiel

[Warren Bautista]

Cytotoxic flesh melting venom is never a fun way togo, I agree with Michiel.