Bugmom
Arachnolord
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You so ruined my day ;pLooks like brocklehursti, males have black tibia without white stripes.
That could explain the lack of interest on his part. There's online pics of males of both of them. Check them out.You so ruined my day ;p
That's what I was thinking too, especially after looking at pics. I just wanted to get some opinions from the experts here.That could explain the lack of interest on his part. There's online pics of males of both of them. Check them out.
Thanks for the vote of confidence.lol I was about to recommend Jose for IDing but he chimed in. Thats nice that he is only one state away for a breeding loan. Good luck!
Right! This'll be a short trip for him.lol I was about to recommend Jose for IDing but he chimed in. Thats nice that he is only one state away for a breeding loan. Good luck!
Spiders not mating isn't a good way to ID a species if you ask me. I can't tell you how many times I've had spiders not want to mate, and they were definitely the same species, sometimes even brother and sisters from the same sac. I can't help to think A. geniculata hasn't been mixed with A. brocklehursti over the years. I just don't believe that they wont mate, because they are that different. According to current taxonomic revisions, they are the same species anyways, just considered a variation. I'm not saying its OK to mix them, but I'm willing to bet these 2 species have been mixed just as much as P. subfusca HL/LL thing.
Maybe P. subfusca is a extreme example, but if you search the archives here, "Is this A. geniculata or A. brocklehursti ?" type threads have been going on for years.Since brocklehursti isn't nearly as common in the hobby, the two probably haven't been mixed nearly as much as the two subfusca variants.
Yup, that's quite possible. I still wont believe that those 2 spider wont mate.Most taxonomy in this hobby seems to be in transition. Someone could along and split brocklehursti and geniculata again.
Plus if they are two different species, and I think they are, I'm not going to mate them together. Period.
Tom,Spiders not mating isn't a good way to ID a species if you ask me. I can't tell you how many times I've had spiders not want to mate, and they were definitely the same species, sometimes even brother and sisters from the same sac. I can't help to think A. geniculata hasn't been mixed with A. brocklehursti over the years. I just don't believe that they wont mate, because they are that different. According to current taxonomic revisions, they are the same species anyways, just considered a variation. I'm not saying its OK to mix them, but I'm willing to bet these 2 species have been mixed just as much as P. subfusca HL/LL thing.
Later, Tom
Can you elaborate more on how you came to this conclusion ?As it turned out, they were both A. brocklehursti and I ended up with a sac
Maybe one of those guys can comment more on how to tell them apart, I'm willing to learn. How were they sure their stock was pure to begin with ? I know Poec54 mentioned something about the white line on the tibia, but when I Googled it, I found pics labeled both ways.Both Poec54 and Jose helped me to properly identify my 2 A brocks
The wrong key will fit in the lock with many other genra and species, why not this one? Poecilotheria from Sri Lanka can successfully breed with other speices from India. Hybrids are well know in many species.This is due to the differences in both the spermathecae of the female and the extra ridge on the A. brocks palpal keels. I don't believe these two species can be hybridized! If they were willing to even try, I dont believe it would be successful since the "key doesn't fit the lock" (so to speak).
Most people cant tell these 2 species apart looking at the side by side with the subtle differences they have, how would you be able to easily spot a hybrid ? Hybrids can look exactly like the mother, exactly like the father, or a mix of both.With all the people who have unknowingly tried to pair them, I still can't find anything that looks remotely like a hybrid.
A eggsac doesn't confirm it's not a hybrid, or one species over another.In my case I was lucky enough to get them both wrong and with some help from Jose I was able to confirm both my T's to be A. brocks and this was further confirmed when my female produced a viable sac.
I have a great deal of respect for both of those guys, so I would like to hear more about these methods. I'm guilty of not reading through the link you provided, I'll take a look at it later.I will continue to study these two species (since I have several of each) and keep looking for a reliable way for even the novice to tell them apart. As for now, I'll follow Jose and Rick's methods.
That's a common practice among rare species in the hobby.I'm also curious as to why you would try to breed sac-mates as you mentioned???
That's, fine, for me I like to question everything (as you have seen in this thread lol) rather then just take someone's word. Again no offense to Jose.PS..If Jose says he has a MF A. brocklehursti, I would trust him more tan anyone to properly ID his T's...especially Acanthoscurria Sp.
I agree, one of the reasons I don't like to see people assuming they have a different species because they wont mate. Unfortunately its to late for many species in the hobby.The more involved I get in the hobby, the more I agree that there is no room for hybrids or inbred tarantulas contaminating an already difficult pile of spiders to sort out.
Can you post a clear photo of your Acanthoscurria geniculata?I can't see an extra keel on his emboli (I can very clearly make out the first keel). Not to say it's impossible they are there, just that I can't see one, and I got as close as I'm willing to stick my face to look
No offense taking. Look at your PM inbox.Can you elaborate more on how you came to this conclusion ?
Maybe one of those guys can comment more on how to tell them apart, I'm willing to learn. How were they sure their stock was pure to begin with ? I know Poec54 mentioned something about the white line on the tibia, but when I Googled it, I found pics labeled both ways.
The wrong key will fit in the lock with many other genra and species, why not this one? Poecilotheria from Sri Lanka can successfully breed with other speices from India. Hybrids are well know in many species.
Most people cant tell these 2 species apart looking at the side by side with the subtle differences they have, how would you be able to easily spot a hybrid ? Hybrids can look exactly like the mother, exactly like the father, or a mix of both.
A eggsac doesn't confirm it's not a hybrid, or one species over another.
I have a great deal of respect for both of those guys, so I would like to hear more about these methods. I'm guilty of not reading through the link you provided, I'll take a look at it later.
That's a common practice among rare species in the hobby.
That's, fine, for me I like to question everything (as you have seen in this thread lol) rather then just take someone's word. Again no offense to Jose.
I agree, one of the reasons I don't like to see people assuming they have a different species because they wont mate. Unfortunately its to late for many species in the hobby.
My comments are not meant to be argumentative here, just a friendly discussion.
Later, Tom