Poecilotheria - German Books

Poec54 · Dec 14, 2014

I have two excellent books on Poecilotheria, both in German (you think we're passionate about Poecs?). I've started using Google Translate and will share info here in periodic posts to this thread.

The books are:
Ornament-Vogelspinnen, Die Gattung Poecilotheria, by Henrik Krehenwinkel, 2008, 192 pages, ISNB 3-936180-27-X.

Die Indische Ornament-Vodelspinnen, by Boris Striffler, 2006, 61 pages, ISNB 978-3-937285-81-8.

Species & elevations:
India
sea level to 500 m - hanuma, miranda, striata
500-800 m - formosa, tigrina
500-1,000 m - metallica, regalis
500-1,500 m - rufilata

Sri Lanka
sea level to 200 m - fasciata
sea level to 500 m - vittata
500-800 m - ornata
800-2,000 m - smithi, subfusca

note: these books were written before rajaei was described for Sri Lanka

Sana · Dec 14, 2014

Wow! That's dedication. This should be an interesting thread to follow.

Poec54 · Dec 14, 2014

Climates:

- Winter rainy season, summer dry
North Sri Lanka, Southern India

fasciata, hanuma (in dry zone)

- Summer rainy season (may-sept), dry winter
dry season can be shortened by autumn rains, annual rainfall varies widely depending on area of climate zone
Dominant climate in India

formosa, hanuma, metallica, miranda, striata, tigrina, rufilata (in humid zones), regalis

- Two rainy periods in summer, one in winter
overall dry climate
Southeast Sri Lanka

fasciata, vittata (in dry areas)

- Humid, rainy climate most of year
dry season in February
SW India, Central and SW Sri Lanka

smithi, ornata (warm areas), rufilata, subfusca (cool areas)

Ultum4Spiderz · Dec 14, 2014

Poec54 said:
Climates:

- Winter rainy season, summer dry
North Sri Lanka, Southern India

fasciata, hanuma (in dry zone)

- Summer rainy season (may-sept), dry winter
dry season can be shortened by autumn rains, annual rainfall varies widely depending on area of climate zone
Dominant climate in India

formosa, hanuma, metallica, miranda, striata, tigrina, rufilata (in humid zones), regalis

- Two rainy periods in summer, one in winter
overall dry climate
Southeast Sri Lanka

fasciata, vittata (in dry areas)

- Humid, rainy climate most of year
dry season in February
SW India, Central and SW Sri Lanka

smithi, ornata (warm areas), rufilata, subfusca (cool areas)

Can you get these books in english?I love pokies and hope this genus is bred more in USA, NONE OF my Pokie males got bred. Maybe I should 50/50 loan them.

Poec54 · Dec 14, 2014

Ultum4Spiderz said:
Can you get these books in english?

No, that's why I'm translating parts of them and sharing it with the forum.

Ultum4Spiderz · Dec 14, 2014

Poec54 said:
No, that's why I'm translating them in pieces and sharing it with the forum.

Great, Germans have always been most advanced country You know wee stole jets from them.

Prrum16 · Dec 15, 2014

Poec54 I think you should right a book your very knowledgeable on the tarantula subject.

FaaFaa · Dec 15, 2014

This is going to be an interesting thread to watch unfold!

Poec54 · Dec 15, 2014

FaaFaa said:
This is going to be an interesting thread to watch unfold!

More to come. Same Bat time, same Bat channel.

Poec54 · Dec 15, 2014

Keeping Poecilotheria in Groups -

1) Recommended from sling to over one year in age:
miranda, rufilata, & subfusca

2) Recommended for up to one year old:
fasciata, regalis*, rufilata, striata, tigrina, & vittata

3) Only recommended up to 6 months old:
formosa, metallica, regalis, striata

4) Not recommended after 1st instar:
metallica** & ornata***

* regalis - 10% potential loss rate after one year old.
** metallica - some keepers have positive experiences, others report that sibling slings have eaten each other.
*** ornata - begin cannibalizing at 2nd instar.

Storm76 · Dec 15, 2014

Agreed, a couple of the best books on them actually.

Poec54 · Dec 15, 2014

Storm76 said:
Agreed, a couple of the best books on them actually.

Are there more? And are they in German too?

Sana · Dec 15, 2014

Thank you for taking the time to translate this information and share it with us. For clarification if you have the answer, is the recommendation for miranda, rufilata, and subfusca in groups from sling to more than one year meant as not more than two years or does it imply a lifetime group?

viper69 · Dec 15, 2014

Thanks for this Poec. I wish I could read German!

Ultum4Spiderz said:
Great, Germans have always been most advanced country You know wee stole jets from them.

Most advanced, that's not accurately written at all. In what time period are you basing your statement?? how do you define most advanced? If you are going by technology, I need to remind you ONLY 1 country has put men on the moon, the USA.

Poec54 · Dec 15, 2014

viper69 said:
Most advanced, that's not accurately written at all. In what time period are you basing your statement?? how do you define most advanced? If you are going by technology, I need to remind you ONLY 1 country has put men on the moon, the USA.

The US space program was assisted by German rocket scientists. Check out Werner von Braun and his work with NASA. You patriotism is admirable, but misplaced. In all of the animals and plants I've been interested in, the world leaders in those fields always had a disproportionately high number of Germans. They know science.

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Sana said:
Thank you for taking the time to translate this information and share it with us. For clarification if you have the answer, is the recommendation for miranda, rufilata, and subfusca in groups from sling to more than one year meant as not more than two years or does it imply a lifetime group?

'More than a year' meaning indefinitely. The others don't have good long term track records. There was a post in the last couple weeks from a member whose group cages of Poecs, who had been together 3 to 4 years, had started fighting and killing each other.

Kelly Swift is an example of somone who lost half a sac of metallica slings (when prices were still very high); half killed the other half.

Poecilotheria are not 'communal.' Most have some degree of tolerance for each other, but they look out for their own bests interests, not the groups, and can turn on each other.

viper69 · Dec 15, 2014

Poec54 said:
The US space program was assisted by German rocket scientists. We made big advances with their post-war help in rockets and jets.

Indeed it was! The USA made tons of advances, almost all w/the help of immigrants at one time or another from rockets to D/C current (Tesla, only the entire world owes him). Regardless, it's the USA that landed men on the moon, no matter who contributed. It's the USA w/the most Nobel Prizes in the sciences collectively.

archaeosite · Dec 16, 2014

Science is a collaborative enterprise. While I'm proud of my country and the many great minds born and raised here, the history of science has always crossed national lines. I'm hopeless at languages other than English, so I'm grateful for this chance to read otherwise inaccessible work.

freedumbdclxvi · Dec 16, 2014

What does the chapter on David Hasselhoff say?

Sana · Dec 16, 2014

So the book is saying that it is more possible to keep miranda, rufilata, and subfusca in groups, but not necessarily recommending it?

Angel Minkov · Dec 17, 2014

viper69 said:
Indeed it was! The USA made tons of advances, almost all w/the help of immigrants at one time or another from rockets to D/C current (Tesla, only the entire world owes him). Regardless, it's the USA that landed men on the moon, no matter who contributed. It's the USA w/the most Nobel Prizes in the sciences collectively.

That's most likely a myth. There are a lot of controversial stuff around those landings.

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