The Stromatopelma family

eldondominicano · Jan 30, 2015

Hello all,

I received two H Macs today.. At least i think.. One's half inch and the other's 3/4 inch.. I'm not new to H macs, have two others aside from these. My question.. My 1/2"er looks like a S. Calceatum! It has yellowish bristles, and from what i was able to see, i goldish more green than gray carapace. I cannot post any picks right now. But what insight can I receive on the difference of these two as slings? My previous H Mac purchase before, my 1/2"er was gray.. Am I a lucky owner of an S. Calceatum? or just not knowledgeable enough of the genus.

Thanks,

Rafael

fuzzyavics72 · Jan 30, 2015

Both look identical till approx. three inches. They just had both sp. at my last reptile show and the two inch speciemens looked practically the same.

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Also they aren't from the same genus.

eldondominicano · Jan 30, 2015

fuzzyavics72 said:
Both look identical till approx. three inches. They just had both sp. at my last reptile show and the two inch speciemens looked practically the same.

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Also they aren't from the same genus.

Not sure why I put it that way, just used it as a reference to relate the two, wrong method there.. What makes them related do you know? Aside from looks that is

fuzzyavics72 · Jan 30, 2015

Oh okay. I didnt know if you knew. Idk really, hopefully catfishrod chimes in he knows all about his baboons lol. I would say maybe that there African arboreal sp lol. I'm sorry I can't be more of help. Catfish was saying the Stromatopelma family has a red sp. I wish we could get those. :/

cold blood · Jan 30, 2015

eldondominicano said:
Not sure why I put it that way, just used it as a reference to relate the two, wrong method there.. What makes them related do you know? Aside from looks that is

Different genus means they are not directly related....they just share many similarities.

eldondominicano · Jan 30, 2015

fuzzyavics72 said:
Oh okay. I didnt know if you knew. Idk really, hopefully catfishrod chimes in he knows all about his baboons lol. I would say maybe that there African arboreal sp lol. I'm sorry I can't be more of help. Catfish was saying the Stromatopelma family has a red sp. I wish we could get those. :/

I figured before i jump into Stromatopelma, I'd get very acquainted with H. Maculata, for some reason S. Calceatum freaks me out and fascinates me at the same time lol, this red sp. I've heard of from a fellow hobbyist in my area. These african arboreals, are truly one of a kind though.

fuzzyavics72 · Jan 30, 2015

That's what I was thinking.

eldondominicano · Jan 30, 2015

fuzzyavics72 said:
Both look identical till approx. three inches. They just had both sp. at my last reptile show and the two inch speciemens looked practically the same.

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Also they aren't from the same genus.

Btw to clarify I was referring to subfamily

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which is Stromatopelminae

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And I hear there are more in the Stromatopelminae sub family

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cold blood said:
Different genus means they are not directly related....they just share many similarities.

yessir

, being in the same sub family probably helps lol.

fuzzyavics72 · Jan 30, 2015

Haha, my sixth spider was a massive s calceatum. I think I was three weeks into the tarantula hobby too. I wanted more pokies and a petstore had it for cheap. I didnt think it was a pokie, but I bought it anyway. I was rehousing her and she teleported from her kritter keeper to outside in a split sec. Actually the top caught her back leg or I would have been screwed lol. I took the top of asap and she ran under the cork. Thank god she didnt get out. Till this day I've never seen any tarantula come close to moving that fast.

eldondominicano · Jan 30, 2015

fuzzyavics72 said:
Haha, my sixth spider was a massive s calceatum. I think I was three weeks into the tarantula hobby too. I wanted more pokies and a petstore had it for cheap. I didnt think it was a pokie, but I bought it anyway. I was rehousing her and she teleported from her kritter keeper to outside in a split sec. Actually the top caught her back leg or I would have been screwed lol. I took the top of asap and she ran under the cork. Thank god she didnt get out. Till this day I've never seen any tarantula come close to moving that fast.

Another species, I'd like to get that from what I know was previously in this subfamily is the Ecyoctratella Olivacea, previously known as Xenodendrophilia gabrieli.. I'd like a few of those

. I almost never get my T's of the same sp. in singles anymore. But I'ts going to be interesting to see how /if this subfamily expands, if we can find more of this Stromatopelminae in Africa. Very fascinating, and fast as you said species. my fastest was either my H. Villosella dwarf T or my H mac, between the two its def. tight

Poec54 · Jan 30, 2015

There's a few species in Stromatopelma. Unfortunately with the constant civil wars in Africa and periodic disease outbreaks, there's a lot of great African species that haven't made it to the US.

To me, slings/young juvenile calceatum and maculata are virtually identical. Maybe there's some subtle thing to look for, but I don't know what it is. At around 3" or so maculata starts to get it's distinctive chalky color.

Encyocratella has also been included in that subfamily; I don't know if that's because it's (semi) arboreal, or because it has a lot in common with the other two genera.

eldondominicano · Jan 30, 2015

Poec54 said:
There's a few species in Stromatopelma. Unfortunately with the constant civil wars in Africa and periodic disease outbreaks, there's a lot of great African species that haven't made it to the US.

To me, slings/young juvenile calceatum and maculata are virtually identical. Maybe there's some subtle thing to look for, but I don't know what it is. At around 3" or so maculata starts to get it's distinctive chalky color.

Encyocratella has also been included in that subfamily; I don't know if that's because it's (semi) arboreal, or because it has a lot in common with the other two genera.

This is the unfortunate truth. I will note that my H macs at least of now, were in the light of my room, so that could definitely be playing a factor into what I've seen. But all in all, I will find out with in the next 6-8 months i suppose, my H macs are prettymoderate growers, not terribly fast growing. A huge difference between encyoctratella and the H Mac and S. Calceatum, is the rear leg density. E Olivacea have a much slenderer build from what I see and hear.

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Light of my room as in out in display not in hiding

-=}GA']['OR{=- · Jan 31, 2015

eldondominicano said:
This is the unfortunate truth. I will note that my H macs at least of now, were in the light of my room, so that could definitely be playing a factor into what I've seen. But all in all, I will find out with in the next 6-8 months i suppose, my H macs are prettymoderate growers, not terribly fast growing. A huge difference between encyoctratella and the H Mac and S. Calceatum, is the rear leg density. E Olivacea have a much slenderer build from what I see and hear.

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Light of my room as in out in display not in hiding

This is definitely true. Even very gravid E. olivacea are much more slender in build than H. maculata and S. calceatum. They are also not nearly as quick moving. They will stand their ground, but I find them much easier to deal with than calceatum and maculata. Cals and macs are just so unpredictable.

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Poec54 said:
There's a few species in Stromatopelma. Unfortunately with the constant civil wars in Africa and periodic disease outbreaks, there's a lot of great African species that haven't made it to the US.

To me, slings/young juvenile calceatum and maculata are virtually identical. Maybe there's some subtle thing to look for, but I don't know what it is. At around 3" or so maculata starts to get it's distinctive chalky color.

Encyocratella has also been included in that subfamily; I don't know if that's because it's (semi) arboreal, or because it has a lot in common with the other two genera.

I wish we had more stromatopelma, especially S. satanus....just the name alone makes me want one! HaHa!

eldondominicano · Jan 31, 2015

Well in time I believe we will find more, though time can mean many years..

Poec54 · Jan 31, 2015

eldondominicano said:
Well in time I believe we will find more, though time can mean many years..

And not all of us are still young.

eldondominicano · Jan 31, 2015

Poec54 said:
And not all of us are still young.

So we do what we can to experience the species we can get a hold of. Of all african subfamiilies, I must say that Stromatopelminae strikes me as very fascinating. These arboreals are balanced with beautiful coloration, bulky bodies, striking speed, and great environmental adaptability

Poec54 · Jan 31, 2015

eldondominicano said:
So we do what we can to experience the species we can get a hold of. Of all african subfamiilies, I must say that Stromatopelminae strikes me as very fascinating. These arboreals are balanced with beautiful coloration, bulky bodies, striking speed, and great environmental adaptability

The Eumenophorinae and Harpactirinae have some pretty interesting species too. Baboons are just fascinating spiders. Anything that lives alongside of lions, elephants, rhinos, and mambas has to be tough. And we get to have those spiders in our homes to watch.

eldondominicano · Jan 31, 2015

Poec54 said:
The Eumenophorinae and Harpactirinae have some pretty interesting species too. Baboons are just fascinating spiders. Anything that lives alongside of lions, elephants, rhinos, and mambas has to be tough. And we get to have those spiders in our homes to watch.

Harpactirinae are fascinating, haven't done much research on Eumenophorinae.. Guess I have a new project!!

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