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As the title simply states. Avicularia vs. psalmopoeus
Avicularia vs psalmopoeus
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eldondominicano
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Temperament is day and night between the two genus'
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They are both arboreal...other than that quite different. Psalms lack urticating hairs, which is a reason they tend to be much more defensive....Avics are quick, but Psalmos are straight up fast...one of the fastest genus', in fact. Psalms also grow considerably faster, being one of the faster growing genus' around. Their behavior is actually closer to a poec than any other genus IMO. They are also more forgiving in terms of care. It will also hurt a lot more to get tagged by a Psalmo as they probably have the most potent venom of all the NW t's.
Avics are a good introduction to arboreals once you have terrestrial care down pat....Psalmos are an excellent introduction to the faster, more potent OW arboreal species.
Both great groups of spiders, but in different ways.
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Psalmopoeus but they can be a handful. I have never had an interest in Avics. I do believe I stand alone in that.
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Actually your position on Avics was my same position. Until today. I ordered two A. braunshauseni to give the Avic genus another try. To keep it on the thread however, these particular species is know to be particularly defensive compared to other Avics. Still cannot be compared to Psalmos as Coldblood explained in more detail.
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Not even the word "fast" describes the speed of psalmos, they are very defensive, especially P. Irminia, P. cam tend to be the calmest of the genus, also grows faster and bigger than P. Irminia.. they are also not as secretive.. P. Irminia on the other hand are very secretive and skittish, but make up for it in their great looks (especially adult females). They are hardy species and great stepping stones.. NOT FOR BEGINNERS (seriously, don't get them unless you have experience with some NW terrestrials and NW tropical terrestrials). Always be cautious and wary around psalmos. I keep mine on moist sub (let the top dry out a bit before moistening it again), cross-ventilation (not as much as avics though), some cork-bark and fake plants to anchor their webs too ( they make stunning dirt webs), and a water bowl. I don't mist (only for my slings for drinking). I also have ventilation on just the sides to help form a micro-climate..
Avics likes dry sub, and lots of cross-ventilation. Always provide a water bowl (humidity) and occasional misting (very light misting, don't overdo it) against webbing for drinking purposes. Fake plants and cork bark. They also make nice webs.. though I never kept avics, so hopefully others can chime in with better advice..
When it comes to care, psalmos are definitely easier to take care of than avics, but avics are easier regarding temperament and speed.
Both avics and psalmos are beautifull.
Avics likes dry sub, and lots of cross-ventilation. Always provide a water bowl (humidity) and occasional misting (very light misting, don't overdo it) against webbing for drinking purposes. Fake plants and cork bark. They also make nice webs.. though I never kept avics, so hopefully others can chime in with better advice..
When it comes to care, psalmos are definitely easier to take care of than avics, but avics are easier regarding temperament and speed.
Both avics and psalmos are beautifull.
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The title of this thread could actually be interpreted in more than one way.
The two are so different. Pokies vs Psalmos would make more sense, given that those two actually look and behave very similar.
The two are so different. Pokies vs Psalmos would make more sense, given that those two actually look and behave very similar.
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I posted on a previous thread with regards to avics, the only avic the needs "dryer" and higher than normal ventilation is A. Versicolor. The others do very well with slightly damp sub, no misting, non-excessive cross ventilation, and a water dish. I'm speaking from experience, and in depth discussion with keepers of hundreds of Avics
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Well, I wouldn't know really, never kept them, my advice on avics is soley based on what I have learned here.. hehe
I have seen a few people compare pokies to psalmos...umm there is no comparison IMO...poecs are more methodical somewhat cognitive.. psalmos are spastic ...instinct tells them to (A) run (B) fight....(C) run and gun...
Poecs are more confident and almost always try to avoid my fingers while making a mad dash for freedom! P.Irminia seem to perceive humans as more of a threat than an opportunity to escape...
Poecs are more confident and almost always try to avoid my fingers while making a mad dash for freedom! P.Irminia seem to perceive humans as more of a threat than an opportunity to escape...
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Faiir enough Lolla
. But you are definetly right. Psalmos are not to be reckoned with! Not for newbies.. I have never had any violent experiences with my Irminia, but as to speed, I have witnessed. I wouldnt know how to describe it other than sheer FEAR.. And adrenaline lol
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I have two juvenile P. Irminias of which one is a female, the other I don't know. One of them is very mellow but have seen some threat poses, the female however.... lets not go there lol! oh and have an adult psalmo Hybrid (I think), she would literally run to any disturbance, threat pose whenever I walk by her enclosure, and try to bite the water bowl when I refill it.. but never bolts (kinda weird lol) .Faiir enough Lolla
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I did see your thread, great pics!
I have always noticed that if the tarantula has a secure hide, i've never had a direct issue with aggressive defense.---------- Post added 02-12-2015 at 09:03 PM ----------
Pokies are disturbingly calculated
You don't know what fear is my friend! I had one a few years back that would bare its fangs and strike while it was running...Faiir enough Lolla
Opening the lid was all it took to "provoke" her! It was horrifying and comical at the same to watch a spider tripping over itself because its trying to kill everything in its path while its running for freedom!
And yes pokies are thinkers!
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I guess I'm yet to experience this lol, my one juvenile would rather slap at whatever provokes it while the other one will down right bite. My one juvie would keep slapping a cricket for almost like 15 minutes until it figures out "hey, food!"
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Haha this is comical. I am picturing this scenario in my head. I have had a single, super freaky experience with my MF Pokie regalis, she's about 10 years old and has jumped a length of 8+ inches at my brush before!!
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Yikes! This said my the new Poec keeper...
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LOL I will say this was during its rehousing... I haven't had any issues since. and why? I offered a hide for its new enclosure that it feels super comfy in.
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In my experience I have yet to find a genus more similar to a poec than a Psalm....are they the same, no, but a lot closer than anything else I can think of....mine behave nearly the same....I will agree the psalms move a bit more spastically, though. But the way they live and react are often pretty close.
I think its a fair comparison anyway.:5:
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