is this a brown recluse?

gumby

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I don't think it is but my wife thinks it is. I think it's a yellow sax spider 20150416_170002.jpg
 

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IMO...No, I don't believe it is a brown recluse. Missing the telltale dark violin marking.
 

FallingRepublic

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No, not a Brown Recluse, agreed with Darth, no violin. Plus, it looks a bit bright in the abdomen, the recluse's I have around here have a light abdomen but not THAT light.
 

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Thx guys I know tarantulas but nothing about true spiders.
 

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Have a look at Reclusa. Notice the legs and how it walks. Their proportion to the body. They are a uniform brown without any markings and no visible setae. Then if you see the violin marking, it might be one. Your positive ID requires grabbing a magnifying glass and checking the eyes. 6 eyes in 3 dyads, the outer most pairs fused together.
http://www.spiders.us/species/loxosceles-reclusa/
 
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Laurens

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if it helps its definedly not a recluse spider ;) Im working with genus Loxosceles for years and out of the 99 specified species i cannot see real similarity's.
Recluse spiders are from the group Sicariidae and have six eyes, this little fellow has 8 eyes.
Altough seeing the violin shape on the cephalothorax isn't always the way to confirm its a recluse. I know species where the cephalothorax is very light and the marks are almost invisible.
 

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if it helps its definedly not a recluse spider ;) Im working with genus Loxosceles for years and out of the 99 confirmed species there's no big similarity.
Altough seeing the violin shape on the cephalothorax isn't always the way to confirm its a recluse. I know species where the cephalothorax is very light and the marks are almost invisible.
And pre molt the violin may not be visible.
 

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reclusa not native to Utah. Lox deserta barely barely barely reaches extreme SW Utah
 

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Thx again guys I was 99% sure the spider in question is about the size of a dime with legs outstretched
 

Laurens

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well,, if you want to know something about the locality's, below listed the 99 subspecies.
as the climate gets warmer these spiders spread out trough country's where they don't belong.
but as told before this is not a recluse so your wife can safely go to sleep ;)

1 Loxosceles accepta South America
2 Loxosceles adelaida South America
3 Loxosceles alamosa Central America
4 Loxosceles alicea South America
5 Loxosceles amazonica South America
6 Loxosceles anomala South America
7 Loxosceles apachea North America + Central America
8 Loxosceles aphrasta North Asia
9 Loxosceles aranea Central America
10 Loxosceles arizonica North America
11 Loxosceles aurea Central America
12 Loxosceles baja Central America
13 Loxosceles barbara Central America
14 Loxosceles belli Central America
15 Loxosceles bettyae South America
16 Loxosceles blancasi South America
17 Loxosceles blanda North America
18 Loxosceles boneti Central America
19 Loxosceles candela Central America
20 Loxosceles caribbaea Central America
21 Loxosceles carmena Central America
22 Loxosceles chinateca Central America
23 Loxosceles colima Central America
24 Loxosceles conococha South America
25 Loxosceles coquimbo South America
26 Loxosceles coyote Central America
27 Loxosceles cubana Central America
28 Loxosceles deserta Desert Loxosceles North America + Central America
29 Loxosceles devia North America + Central America
30 Loxosceles fontainei Sub-Saharan Africa
31 Loxosceles foutadjalloni Sub-Saharan Africa
32 Loxosceles francisca Central America
33 Loxosceles frizzelli South America
34 Loxosceles gaucho South America
35 Loxosceles gloria South America
36 Loxosceles guatemala Central America
37 Loxosceles harrietae South America
38 Loxosceles herreri South America
39 Loxosceles hirsuta South America
40 Loxosceles huasteca Central America
41 Loxosceles immodesta South America
42 Loxosceles inca South America
43 Loxosceles insula Central America
44 Loxosceles intermedia South America
45 Loxosceles jaca Central America
46 Loxosceles jamaica Central America
47 Loxosceles jarmila Central America
48 Loxosceles julia South America
49 Loxosceles kaiba North America
50 Loxosceles lacroixi Sub-Saharan Africa
51 Loxosceles lacta North Asia
52 Loxosceles laeta North America
53 Loxosceles lawrencei South America
54 Loxosceles lutea South America
55 Loxosceles luteola Central America
56 Loxosceles manuela Central America
57 Loxosceles martha North America
58 Loxosceles meruensis Sub-Saharan Africa
59 Loxosceles misteca Central America
60 Loxosceles mulege Central America
61 Loxosceles nahuana Central America
62 Loxosceles neuvillei Central America
63 Loxosceles olmea South America
64 Loxosceles pallidecolorata Sub-Saharan Africa
65 Loxosceles palma North America + Central America
66 Loxosceles panama Central America
67 Loxosceles parrami Sub-Saharan Africa
68 Loxosceles piura South America
69 Loxosceles pucara South America
70 Loxosceles reclusa Violin Spider , Brown Recluse Spider North America + Central America
71 Loxosceles rica Central America
72 Loxosceles rosana South America
73 Loxosceles rothi Central America
74 Loxosceles rufescens Global-land only
75 Loxosceles rufipes Central America + South America
76 Loxosceles russelli North America
77 Loxosceles sabina North America
78 Loxosceles seri Central America
79 Loxosceles similis South America
80 Loxosceles smithi Sub-Saharan Africa
81 Loxosceles sonora Central America
82 Loxosceles spadicea South America
83 Loxosceles speluncarum Sub-Saharan Africa
84 Loxosceles spinulosa Sub-Saharan Africa
85 Loxosceles surca South America
86 Loxosceles taeniopalpis South America
87 Loxosceles taino Central America
88 Loxosceles tehuana Central America
89 Loxosceles tenango Central America
90 Loxosceles teresa Central America
91 Loxosceles tlacolula Central America
92 Loxosceles valdosa Central America
93 Loxosceles valida Sub-Saharan Africa
94 Loxosceles variegata South America
95 Loxosceles virgo Central America
96 Loxosceles vonwredei Sub-Saharan Africa
97 Loxosceles weyrauchi South America
98 Loxosceles yucatana Central America
99 Loxosceles zapoteca Central America
 

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but for the nonarachnoligists ;) identifying a brown recluse spider is quite simple.
1 brown recluse spiders are Sicariidae ( six eyed ) and the spider in question has eight eyes.
2 Even younger specimens and freshly molted recluse spiders have a particular violin shape on the cephalothorax.
when the violin markings cannot be seen, you have to take a closer look from a different angle cause recluse spiders have 7 rows of hair on the cephalic range and these hairs show a recluse shape too.
There are lots of ways for identifying but from a distance like this, these points might help a little ;)
 
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