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Flow

Arachnopeon
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I've got a problem with my P.Irminia. I don't know how you call this "thing" but how can I get rid of it? PLEASE HELP! :( :mad:





Rok
 

Rochelle

Arachnoprince
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Oh, No! That's a pretty serious problem....:(
I'd normally recommend dabbing them off with a q-tip and vaseoline..but....*cough*....that's going to be tough with this character.
You could try drying out the enclosure and setting up mite traps outside the screen on the tank.
They are very moisture dependent and will migrate quickly, once the moisture leaves the main tank. Grab some 20 oz. bottle tops; rim them with a thick coat of vasoline and add water to them, just under the level of the petroleum jelly. They'll stick to it, trying to get to the water source.
I sure hope this helps...:eek:
We really recommend employing pill bugs (isopods) in any moist tank. They eat mites, molds, fungus, boluses and poo. (Even though this problem is too far gone for them to help). They are invaluable in helping to maintain a moist tank, IME.

If you have other T's -- separate this one far away. In another room, if possible.
 

reverendsterlin

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been looking to repost this
Rev

Unfortunately most of my knowledge on predatory mites is in conjunction with fields, orchards, and green houses, that being said many predatory mites have a wide range of prey and some will use other non-specific mite, aphids, fungus gnats, ect as prey items. Unfortunately little has been specifically studied on their effect on those types of mites that specifically attack mygales and other pet type arthopods. So that said I'll give you info on several species I have compiled data on (from personal use and from other sources). Sorry if this is too long but I hope it provides you with options to experiment with. In many cases I have used several of these species together with very good effect on crops, fruit trees, and in my greenhouse. I have seen most of them in my enclosures many times (would be hard to keep them out as they get on my clothes while I tend my plants) and have never seen negative effects on my T's, scorps, or pedes. I will say I have never had bad mites in/on my collection during this time. Most of these are available through nursery/ greenhouse retailers. There are basically 3 types of mites.

Type 1 mites: These mites are probably the least usefull in this case, but I'll include them for your use in other situations. These are specialists mites feeding and surviving only on spider mites belonging to the Tetranychidae family. This is the family to which the well-known two-spotted mite, Tetranychus urticae, belongs. Species belonging to this type have strong aggregation behaviors, commonly remaining among pest groupings for extended periods and can respond quickly to rising numbers. Type I mites can also die out quickly when prey isn’t available because they lack the ability to adapt to other food sources such as pollen and other mites. A classic example of a Type I mite is Phytoseiulus persimilis.

Type 2 mites: These are still selective, but easily adapt to other species of pests mites and can also feed on pollen. For general mite control, management, and prevention, due to this adaptability, Type II mites are often a desirable choice. Examples of Type II mites include Neoseiulus californicus, N. cucumeris (which feeds primarily on thrips) and N. fallacis, and
Galendromus occidentalis.

Type 3: These mites are gereralists, extremely opportunistic. Type 3 mites will feed on other non-mite prey, plus pollen, honeydew, and plant juices if need be. Amblyseius swirskii belong to this category. Neoseiulus californicus, N. cucumeris, and N. fallacis are hybrid Type II/Type III mite because of their ability to cross lines in the name of adaptation (being both selective and extremely opportunistic), as are most Phytoseiids.

Phytoseiulus persimilis is the most commonly used predatory mite in greenhouses.The globose, light- to deep-red females of P. macropilis lay oval orange eggs that hatch into six-legged larvae. Both larvae and nymphs have a similar white to light orange color. Males are identical to females in shape and color but are smaller. These mites have a strong preference for immature spider mites over adults. Each predator consumes four to six spider mite eggs or larvae daily during its development and an average of eight eggs per day as an adult. P. macropilis has a short life cycle in comparison to many spider mite species, allowing it to build up quickly to suppress pest populations. In the absence of spider mites they will prey on their own immatures. P. macropilis occurs naturally in Florida. Probably not effective for our purposes.

Typhlodromus occidentalis (Nesbitt) (Acari:phytoseiidae) is a predatory mite that attacks spider mites, particularly two-spotted mite (Tetranychus urticae). T. occidentalis is well adapted to hot, dry climates and is tolerant of many organophospate insecticides. Probably not effective for our purposes.

Zetzellia mali (Ewing)ZM can also complement biological control by phytoseiids by feeding on stationary forms of pest mites (phytoseiids prefer motile forms), such as overwintering eggs and quiescent immature mites. (Acari:Stigmaeidae). Not sure but may work on eggs for our purposes.

Galendromus occidentalis western predatory mites. The preferred foods of western predatory mites are mites of all stages, including eggs, but they also feed on pollen and other food. The western predatory mite is commercially available and is commonly released against Tetranychus spp. spider mites such as the Pacific spider mite and the two-spotted spider mite. Effective control of spider mite pests has been documented in various many crops and ornamentals. The western predatory mite tolerates hot climates as long as the relative humidity is above about 50 percent. These could possibly work for our needs.

Neoseiulus californicus, N. cucumeris, and N. fallacis, (Acari: Phytoseiidae): These are oblong, tiny, mobile, predatory mite that feeds on a variety of prey. These would probably be very effective on the types of mites we may find in our collections.

Amblyseius swirskii: Amblyseius swirskii is found in the wild in the eastern Mediterranean region, i.e. Israel, Italy, Cyprus and Egypt. The predatory mite is found there in crops like apples, vegetables and cotton. In Israel, A. swirskii is a small predatory mite which feeds on many types of small arthropod prey and pollen. I think these too would work well against the mites that could affect our collections.

Typhlodromus pyri (Scheuten)They can survive and reproduce on a diet of pollen, fungi, and plant fluids during the early season when animal prey are absent. Adults are pear-shaped, minute (slightly smaller than an ERM adult), and generally a creamy white color, but because their guts take on color from prey, they may appear red or brown. TP move actively over plant surfaces in search of prey.TP females live approximately 20 days and lay an average of 20-30 eggs. A possible good candidate.

Amblyseius fallacis: AF live nearly as long as Typhlodromus pyri, but lay twice as many eggs, which are indistinguishable from those of TP. Immatures develop in one-third of the time required by TP. AF populations can increase rapidly and may overtake and deplete prey populations. In such cases it readily migrates to sites with more prey. It completes 4-6 generations per year in New York.In general, an "effective" predator (1) prefers to feed on the pest species, (2) actively searches for its preferred prey, (3) has the reproductive potential to increase its numbers more quickly than its prey, and (4) has the ability to persist when prey numbers are low. A predator's effectiveness is determined by which traits it exhibits either alone or in combination with another species. Another good candidate.

Both phytoseiid species prefer to feed on tetranychid mites and actively search for them but can adapt to other prey. Short-term, AF can better control a large pest mite population than TP. It is voracious and it's population increases quickly in relation to its prey. When the pest mite population is high, AF numbers can overtake the pest population. If it reduces its prey to very low numbers, AF will leave in search of more prey. TP does not reproduce as quickly as AF and cannot overtake and control an expanding pest mite population, but it can thrive at low prey density. It remains in trees, surviving on a variety of alternative foods. Once the pest mite population has been reduced to a low density, TP will prevent its buildup unless disrupted by the use of a pesticide to which it is susceptible. A mixed population of AF and TP is desirable, but alone TP provides more consistent pest mite control for a longer time.
possible suppliers could help so here are some USA and Canadian suppliers that carry various predatory mites.


Associates Insectary
P.O. Box 969
Santa Paula, CA 93061-0969
Tel: (805) 933-1301
Fax: (805) 933-1304
E-mail: info@associatesinsectary.com
Web: www.associatesinsectary.com

Biotactics (Benemite)
20780 Warren Road
Perris, CA 92570
Tel: (909) 943-2819
E-mail: sales@benemite.com
Web: www.benemite.com

Bio Ag Services
4218 W Muscat
Fresno, CA 93706
Tel: (559) 268-2835
E-mail: bioag@theworks.com

Biobest
2020 Mersea Road #3 RR4
Leamington, Canada, 0N N8H 3V7
Tel: (519) 322-2178
E-mail: biobest@on.aibn.com
Web: www.biobest.be

Biofac, Inc.
P.O. Box 87
Mathis, TX 78368
Tel: (800) 233-4914

Buena Biosystems
P.O. Box 4008
Ventura, CA 93007-7760
Tel: (805) 525-2525
Fax: (805) 525-6058
E-mail: bugdude@msn.com

Central Coast Insectary
313 Hames Road
Watsonville, CA 95076
Tel: (408) 726-1853

Ecosolutions, Inc.
2948 Landmark Way
Palm Harbor, FL 34684
Tel/Fax: (727) 787-3669
E-mail: ecosolutions@mindspring.com

The Green Spot, Ltd.
93 Priest Road
Nottingham, NH 03290-6204
Tel: (603) 942-8925
E-mail: info@greenmethods.com
Web: www.greenmethods.com

Harmony Farm Supply
P.O. Box 460
Graton, CA 95444
Tel: (707) 823-9125
E-mail: info@harmonyfarm.com

Hydro-Gardens, Inc.
P. O. Box 9707
Colorado Springs, CO 80932
Tel: (800) 634-6362

IPM Laboratories, Inc.
980 Main Street
Locke, NY 13092-0300
Tel: (315) 497-2063
Fax: (315) 497-3129
E-mail: ipmlabs@baldcom.net
Web: www.ipmlabs.com

Koppert Biological Systems
28465 Beverly Road
Romulus, MI 48174
E-mail: asktheexpert@koppertonline.com
Web: www.koppertonline.com

Ladybug Sales
P.O. Box 903
Gridley, CA 95948
Tel: (916) 868-1627

M & R Durango, Inc.
6565 Highway 172
Ignacio, CO 81137
Tel: (800) 526-4075 or (970) 259-3521
Fax: (970) 259-3857
E-mail: mrdrango@frontier.net
Web: www.goodbug.com

Natural Insect Control
R.R. # 2 Stevensville
Ontario, Canada, L0S 1S0
Tel: (905) 382-2904
Fax: (905) 382-4418
E-mail: nic@niagara.com
Web: www.natural-insect-control.com

Natural Pest Controls
8864 Little Creek Drive
Orangeville, CA 95662
Tel: (916) 726-0855 or (916) 923-3353
Fax: (916) 923-1278

Necessary Trading Co.
P.O. Box 603
New Castle, VA 24127
Tel: (703) 864-5103

New Earth, Inc.
4422 E Highway 44
Shepardsville, KY 40165
Tel: (502) 543-5933

Pacific Tree Farms
4301 Lynwood Drive
Chula Vista, CA 92010
Tel: (619) 422-2400

Peaceful Valley Farm Supply
P.O. Box 2209
Grass Valley, CA 95945
Tel: (888) 784-1722 or (530) 272-4769
Web: www.groworganic.com

Plant Sciences, Inc. / Koppert
342 Green Valley Road
Watsonville, CA 95076
Tel: (831) 728-7771
E-mail: tkueneman@plantsciences.com

PRAXIS
P.O. Box 360
2723 116th Ave.
Allegan, MI 49010
Tel: (269) 673-2793

Sierra Ag
2749 E Malaga
Fresno, CA 93725
Tel: (209) 233-0585

Sterling Insectary
P.O. Box 1987
Delano, CA 93216
Tel: (661) 725-1832
E-mail: matt@sterlingnursery.com

Worm's Way, Inc.
7850 North State Road 37
Bloomington, IN 47404
Tel: (800) 274-9676 or (812) 876-6450
Fax: (800) 316-1264
E-mail: chrisct@wormsway.com
Web: www.wormsway.com
 

Flow

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Yes...she got it with a cricket. Her enclosure was O.K. Yeah, I have already put her out and in a dry place. But T's need moisture too. How long can she last without water? And if I get her something to eat, it will be worse!

"dabbing them off with a q-tip and vaseoline" ?:confused:
Can please someone explain?
Tnx

Rok
 
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bamato

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I would think you would have little success dabbing around the eyes of an irminia without her getting a bit agitated. I would recommend Rochelles method of trapping them.
 

Moltar

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Can we make that post by rev into a sticky? That was the most informative piece of info on mites i've ever read. If I ever get a mite infestation I know i'll be looking for that.

Well done Reverendsterlin!


Flow: good luck healing your irminia. She's a beautiful T, I hope you can get her healthy again. There isn't much I can add to what's already been said other than to suggest you get a roach colony going. I can't say you definitely won't ever have problems like this with homegrown roaches but it is a lot less likely.
 
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