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I've tried to search the forum for what species of scorpions are considered "HOT", nothing really came up.. could anyone tell me?
Buthacus, Centruroides, Leiurus, and a few others perhaps.
I am just making sure what are HOT and what are not since i am new to the hobby i don't wanna dip my hands in hot water if you know what i meanC. gracilis from certain areas are considered very MedSig. C. sculp/exili are not something to joke around with either. C. vittatus is not on the list, imo.
Here is a list, published in an article of a friend of mine. This info is copyrighted to protect the authorship.
Concise Checklist of the Buthid Scorpions of Medical Significance
Lucian K. Ross
"Due to the lack of medical and toxicological reports
regarding venom toxicities and potential effects in humans in the majority of buthid scorpions,the list remains tentative and incomplete"
FAMILY BUTHIDAE C. L. KOCH, 1837 (ARACHNIDA: SCORPIONES)
GENUS ANDROCTONUS EHRENBERG, 1828
A. amoreuxi (Audouin, 1826)
A. australis (see Note 1) (Linnaeus, 1758)
A. bicolor (see Note 2) Ehrenberg, 1828
A. crassicauda (Olivier, 1807)
A. liouvillei (Pallary, 1924) (see Note 3)
A. mauritanicus (Pocock, 1902)
GENUS BUTHUS LEACH, 1815
B. occitanus (Amoreux, 1789) (see Note 4)
B. tunetanus (Herbst, 1800)
GENUS CENTRUROIDES MARX, 1890
C. elegans (Thorell, 1876) (see Note 5)
C. gracilis (Latreille, 1804) (see Note 6)
C. griseus (C. L. Koch, 1844)
C. infamatus (C. L. Koch, 1844) (see Note 7)
C. limbatus (Pocock, 1898) (see Note 8)
C. limpidus (Karsch, 1879) (see Note 9)
C. noxius Hoffmann, 1932 (see Note 10)
C. pallidiceps Pocock, 1902
C. sculpturatus Ewing, 1928 (see Notes 11)
C. suffusus (Pocock, 1902) (see Note 12)
C. vittatus (Say, 1821) (see Notes 13)
GENUS HOTTENTOTTA BIRULA, 1908
H. gentili (Pallary, 1924) (see Note 14)
H. hottentotta (Fabricius, 1787)
H. judaicus (Simon, 1872) (see Note 15)
H. minax (L. Koch, 1975)
H. saulcyi (Simon, 1828)
H. tamulus (Fabricius, 1798)
H. trilineatus (Peters, 1861)
GENUS LEIURUS EHRENBERG, 1828 (excluded from McWest 2003)
L. quinquestriatus (Ehrenberg, 1828)
GENUS MESOBUTHUS VACHON, 1950
M. eupeus (C. L. Koch, 1839)
M. gibbosus (Brulli, 1832) (see Note 16)
M. martensii (Karsch, 1879)
GENUS ODONTOBUTHUS VACHON, 1950
(O. doriae) (Thorell, 1876)
GENUS PARABUTHUS POCOCK, 1890
P. capensis (Ehrenberg, 1831)
P. granulatus (Ehrenberg, 1831)
P. mossambicensis (Peters, 1861)
P. transvaalicus Purcell, 1899
GENUS TITYUS C. L. KOCH, 1836
T. arellanoparrai Gonzalez-Sponga, 1985
T. argentinus Borelli, 1899
T. asthenes Pocock, 1893 (see Note 17)
T. bahiensis (Perty, 1833)
T. brazilae Lourenco & Eickstedt, 1984
T. cambridgei Pocock, 1897
T. caripitensis Quiroga, De Sousa & Parrilla-Alvarez, 2000
T. charreyroni Vellard, 1932
T. costatus (Karsch, 1879)
T. dasyurus Pocock, 1897
T. dedoslargos Francke & Stockwell, 1987
T. discrepans (Karsch, 1879)
T. falconensis Gonzalez-Sponga, 1974 (see Note 18)
T. fasciolatus Pessoa, 1935
T. forcipula (Gervais, 1843)
T. fuehrmanni Kraepelin, 1914
T. funestus Hirst, 1911
T. ivicnancor Gonzalez-Sponga, 1997
T. mattogrossensis Borelli, 1901
T. monaguensis Gonzalez-Sponga, 1974
T. neglectus Mello-Leitao, 1932
T. nematochirus Mello-Leitao, 1940
T. neoespartanus Gonzalez-Sponga, 1996 (see Note 19)
T. nororientalis Gonzalez-Sponga, 1996
T. pachyurus Pocock, 1897
T. perijanensis Gonzalez-Sponga, 1994 (see Note 20)
T. quirogae De Sousa, Manzanilla & Parrilla-Alvarez, 2006
T. serrulatus Lutz & Mello, 1922
T. silvestris Pocock, 1897
T. stigmurus (Thorell, 1876) (see Note 21)
T. surorientalis Gonzalez-Sponga, 1996
T. tamayoi Gonzalez-Sponga, 1987
T. trinitatis Pocock, 1897 (see Note 22)
T. trivittatus Kraepelin, 1898
T. zulianus Gonzalez-Sponga, 1981
Maybe some one can pin this for future reference
Cheers, Michiel
Here is a list, published in an article of a friend of mine. This info is copyrighted to protect the authorship.
Concise Checklist of the Buthid Scorpions of Medical Significance
Lucian K. Ross
"Due to the lack of medical and toxicological reports
regarding venom toxicities and potential effects in humans in the majority of buthid scorpions,the list remains tentative and incomplete"
FAMILY BUTHIDAE C. L. KOCH, 1837 (ARACHNIDA: SCORPIONES)
GENUS ANDROCTONUS EHRENBERG, 1828
A. amoreuxi (Audouin, 1826)
A. australis (see Note 1) (Linnaeus, 1758)
A. bicolor (see Note 2) Ehrenberg, 1828
A. crassicauda (Olivier, 1807)
A. liouvillei (Pallary, 1924) (see Note 3)
A. mauritanicus (Pocock, 1902)
GENUS BUTHUS LEACH, 1815
B. occitanus (Amoreux, 1789) (see Note 4)
B. tunetanus (Herbst, 1800)
GENUS CENTRUROIDES MARX, 1890
C. elegans (Thorell, 1876) (see Note 5)
C. gracilis (Latreille, 1804) (see Note 6)
C. griseus (C. L. Koch, 1844)
C. infamatus (C. L. Koch, 1844) (see Note 7)
C. limbatus (Pocock, 1898) (see Note 8)
C. limpidus (Karsch, 1879) (see Note 9)
C. noxius Hoffmann, 1932 (see Note 10)
C. pallidiceps Pocock, 1902
C. sculpturatus Ewing, 1928 (see Notes 11)
C. suffusus (Pocock, 1902) (see Note 12)
C. vittatus (Say, 1821) (see Notes 13)
GENUS HOTTENTOTTA BIRULA, 1908
H. gentili (Pallary, 1924) (see Note 14)
H. hottentotta (Fabricius, 1787)
H. judaicus (Simon, 1872) (see Note 15)
H. minax (L. Koch, 1975)
H. saulcyi (Simon, 1828)
H. tamulus (Fabricius, 1798)
H. trilineatus (Peters, 1861)
GENUS LEIURUS EHRENBERG, 1828 (excluded from McWest 2003)
L. quinquestriatus (Ehrenberg, 1828)
GENUS MESOBUTHUS VACHON, 1950
M. eupeus (C. L. Koch, 1839)
M. gibbosus (Brulli, 1832) (see Note 16)
M. martensii (Karsch, 1879)
GENUS ODONTOBUTHUS VACHON, 1950
(O. doriae) (Thorell, 1876)
GENUS PARABUTHUS POCOCK, 1890
P. capensis (Ehrenberg, 1831)
P. granulatus (Ehrenberg, 1831)
P. mossambicensis (Peters, 1861)
P. transvaalicus Purcell, 1899
GENUS TITYUS C. L. KOCH, 1836
T. arellanoparrai Gonzalez-Sponga, 1985
T. argentinus Borelli, 1899
T. asthenes Pocock, 1893 (see Note 17)
T. bahiensis (Perty, 1833)
T. brazilae Lourenco & Eickstedt, 1984
T. cambridgei Pocock, 1897
T. caripitensis Quiroga, De Sousa & Parrilla-Alvarez, 2000
T. charreyroni Vellard, 1932
T. costatus (Karsch, 1879)
T. dasyurus Pocock, 1897
T. dedoslargos Francke & Stockwell, 1987
T. discrepans (Karsch, 1879)
T. falconensis Gonzalez-Sponga, 1974 (see Note 18)
T. fasciolatus Pessoa, 1935
T. forcipula (Gervais, 1843)
T. fuehrmanni Kraepelin, 1914
T. funestus Hirst, 1911
T. ivicnancor Gonzalez-Sponga, 1997
T. mattogrossensis Borelli, 1901
T. monaguensis Gonzalez-Sponga, 1974
T. neglectus Mello-Leitao, 1932
T. nematochirus Mello-Leitao, 1940
T. neoespartanus Gonzalez-Sponga, 1996 (see Note 19)
T. nororientalis Gonzalez-Sponga, 1996
T. pachyurus Pocock, 1897
T. perijanensis Gonzalez-Sponga, 1994 (see Note 20)
T. quirogae De Sousa, Manzanilla & Parrilla-Alvarez, 2006
T. serrulatus Lutz & Mello, 1922
T. silvestris Pocock, 1897
T. stigmurus (Thorell, 1876) (see Note 21)
T. surorientalis Gonzalez-Sponga, 1996
T. tamayoi Gonzalez-Sponga, 1987
T. trinitatis Pocock, 1897 (see Note 22)
T. trivittatus Kraepelin, 1898
T. zulianus Gonzalez-Sponga, 1981
Maybe some one can pin this for future reference
Cheers, Michiel
This is an AWESOME list, very neat to see such a thorough a list including species as opposed to simply genera. However, I would just note for the thread-starters benefit that it does omit at least one scorpion that is well documented as having caused deaths. The scorpion missing is not a member of Buthidae so that is almost certainly why it is omitted. Also, the scorpion I refer to has not (as far as I know) and probably will not be in the U.S. hobby any time soon.
If you are looking to avoid hot scorpions the two big ones are a) make sure the scorpion you are buying is IDed by someone who knows their scorpions. Particularly the non-descript ones as many harmless species look similar to dangerous ones. B) put some research into any species prior to buying it. I know of an incident where a teacher bought an A. australis specimen that they thought would make a good classroom pet simply because they had no knowledge of the species !! Luckily they found out more about it before bringing it to school and of course decided to get a different classroom pet. Goes to show how important it is to research any animal you buy.
I guess the summed up version is, reading these lists is a great idea, but at the same time, don't assume that just because a scorpion isn't on a list of dangerous one's that it is "safe". Get info on any scorpion you wanna buy, particularly the venom ;-)
If you are referring to Hemiscorpius lepturus from Iran, let's hope it NEVER comes into the hobby.
Cheers, Michiel
Would this be more or less the Sicarius of the scorpion world? Sounds like trouble. Maybe we could find one for Paul F to handle?Cytotoxic flesh melting venom is never a fun way togo, I agree with Michiel.
I am indeed referring to H. lepturus. I'd have to agree with your sentiment on that. I take it you've seen the envenomation pictures on the web? :barf:. It is indeed scary stuff.If you are referring to Hemiscorpius lepturus from Iran, let's hope it NEVER comes into the hobby.
Cheers, Michiel
That's why I refer to it as "the scorpion that shall not be named". I'm all for cultural exchanges and what not, but Iran can keep those. I just hope it stays that way. :barf:I am indeed referring to H. lepturus. I'd have to agree with your sentiment on that. I take it you've seen the envenomation pictures on the web? :barf:. It is indeed scary stuff.
wow at first i thought wow cool, the hottest scorpion ever, i could own that... then i looked at what this thing does to people, thats so terribly disguisting, why does he need that potent concoction? is there something in that area that he has to defend himself against on that kind of level?That's why I refer to it as "the scorpion that shall not be named". I'm all for cultural exchanges and what not, but Iran can keep those. I just hope it stays that way. :barf:
If you want something hot, stick with Androctonus, Parabuthus, Tityus, and the others listed here EXCEPT for the specie listed above.